Topic: natural cures

The "USA Today" newspaper for Monday, August 8th, 2005 had an article about
Kevin Trudeau's updated edition of his "Natural Cures" book. The article
said due of the heavy airing of the the TV info-commericial, the "Natural
Cures" book is almost at the top of best-selling books list.

The article said several million copies of the updated book have been sold.

Kevin T. in the book is quite "down" about humans consuming the dairy food
(including cow's milk) group. He even provides a reference mention to the
www.notmilk.com web site.

So several million more persons can make a decision whether they should
eliminate the dairy (& cow's milk) food group from their diet.

In article <scfKe.5893$ns.4848@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.n et>,
George Lagergren <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote:
And they can make this decision using a highly unreliable book.
Swell. I know you think this is a good thing, George, but you're
wrong.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome and
natural things that money can buy."
-- Steve Martin

"George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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George, when it comes to loony tunes, you are more melodic than most.

George Lagergren wrote:
http://www.newsday.com/business/ny-b...,6175180.story

"Now the New York State Consumer Protection Board is warning consumers
and asking cable stations to pull the ad, only the second time the board
has issued a warning about an infomercial.

The Federal Trade Commission has prosecuted several cases against
infomercials in the past decade, including recent lawsuits against the
weight-loss supplement CortiSlim and Q-ray, the "pain-relieving
bracelet." There are 378 individuals and companies under order or named
as defendants in FTC law enforcement actions related to infomercials,
primarily over unsubstantiated claims on the products' performance.
Since 1989, the actions have led to judgments of more than $711 million
in consumer compensation and civil penalties."

An unrepentent, career quack.

What was told to P. T. Barnum?

Kevin Trudeau is a convicted felon, he is a crook with a long history of
scams to seperate people from their money:

http://skepdic.com/trudeau.html

George Lagergren wrote:

And, why NOT just use the Internet?

My search page, for example
http://contact.naturalhealthperspective.com/search.html
has hyperlinks to two different alternative health databases, plus many
other useful links for researching health information.

Best of all, it is FREE.
--
john gohde
http://contact.naturalhealthperspective.com/search.html

To quoate you, "how would we know" scientifically your claims are
effective without the same scientific research methods you decry?

""The usual stuff you hear in the media are studies of a "surrogate
markers" that "correlate" with "endpoints." That kind of thing will
never be real science, but only a way to sell you drugs that are
ineffective and dangerous. Your body can take care of itself, if it's
getting what it needs and if toxins (such as highly polyunsaturated
fat sources) are avoided. There is no mystery, and no need for
surrogate markers, correlations, and endpoints either.""

This brings up an interesting point. In teaching the history of
science, the scientific method is stressed (in my classes, anyway).
Harvey's circulation of the blood, for example, can be verified by
observation. It never fails. The laws of motion can be verified so
that it is clear they are valid (at least under the conditions Newton
and his contemporaries could imagine).

Let's say shark cartilidge in some concoction can cure a specific
cancer. How would we know? How much evidence would be required to
validate the claim? Suppose it seemed to cure 90% of the cancers in
dogs - would that be good enough? If the establishment doesn't like
these guys, then perhaps they should specify the guidelines that are
acceptable to them. They won't, and the reason is that very toxic and
expensive drugs are being prescribed to cancer patients and other very
sick people. Are these drugs "cures?" No, in most cases they extend
life a couple of months, statistically, and cause nasty side-effects.
Who is the real snake oil salesman here?

This is why I post here, that is, to explain how real, basic science
can be applied to diet in the prevention of "disease" context. The
usual stuff you hear in the media are studies of a "surrogate markers"
that "correlate" with "endpoints." That kind of thing will never be
real science, but only a way to sell you drugs that are ineffective and
dangerous. Your body can take care of itself, if it's getting what it
needs and if toxins (such as highly polyunsaturated fat sources) are
avoided. There is no mystery, and no need for surrogate markers,
correlations, and endpoints either.

"George Lagergren" <gel44@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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http://www.quackwatch.org/02Consumer...s/trudeau.html

There are a million suckers born every year.
Thanks for giving us a chance to debunk Trudeau's bunk.
I imagine his book's TV misinfo-mercial will be busted any moment.

<outsor@citynet.net> wrote in message
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Just look at the sordid company you're keeping, Georgie Boy.

GWC

Topic: natural cures

"David Wright" <wright@l1000.prodigy.net> replied:
If as the www.foodallergy.org web site suggests that allergy to
cow's milk is the number one food allergy, the anti-dairy and anti-cow's
milk discussion and the web sites of www.notmilk.com and
www.panix.com/~nomilk will NEVER go away.

Look at the shelf space given to rice and soy milk in the milk
section at the grocery store.

Topic: natural cures

But the rice milk and soy milk drinkers must have reasons why
they have decided NOT to drink cow's milk.

btw, when I stopped drinking cow's milk, I also stopped eating
cereal, too.
But the certain percentage (say, 10% to 40%) of folks who can
NOT tolerate cow's milk due to lactose and casein protein issues is a
sufficient number of people now to keep the anti-dairy and anti-cow's milk
situation in the news and public awareness. Thus, expect the
"bad-mouthing" of cow's milk to continue.