Steve Bayt
(Parma/Brook Park, Ohio)


The last year or so of low carb marketing shows how easy it is to
brainwash
the American public into believing anything.

The Atkins/ Low Carb approach is the worst diet ever and has serious
health risks. Carbohydrates are necessary for basic functions of life.
And the idea of burning off fat without carbs is false. For someone
would have to run a hundred miles a day just to get to burning off the
bad fat-saturated fat.

There is an endless number of nutrients that are stored in
non-saturated fats which a low carb diet creates a deficiency. Carbs
allow you to excercise or even exist without depleting the body of
nutrients stored in unsaturated fats.

The Atkins diet includes food that is dangerously high in saturated
fats, which do not store any nutrients and are virtually impossible to
eliminate from the body without bariatric surgery.

Sources of carbs also contain many vitamins and minerals which aren't
present in most Atkins food. IN fact, there is so little nutritional
value in Atkins approved foods, that they have had to create a super
expensive supplement- trying to make even more money. The suppplements
contain ingredients more dangerous than Ephedera-or anything that
exist in the psyhcologically disturbed paranoia of Senator Durbin and
SB 722.

The fact is that complex carbs provide the energy not just for
athletics, but for basic living-without adding cholesterol nor
saturated fat to clog arteries.

And too much protein eats away at stomach lining. For protein is Amino
Acids.
There are so many health problems with Atkins, the FDA and FTC should
ban such marketing as a matter of public safety. Just like the San
Francisco Department of Health closed Bath houses in 1983 trying to
prevent AIDS.

Atkins also dehydrates the body,which is where the weight loss comes
from. Excess urination (the only way protein is eliminated from the
body) flushes out needed minerals along with fat soluble vitamins like
Vitamin E, Vitamin A.

Too much protein and not enough carbs can cause so many health
problems entire encyclopedias could be wrote on the subject. JUst one
is extreme nuerological damage, another is ulcers and kidney stones
along with conspitation.

Recently there have been marketed Carb Smart vitamins-which are really
just normal vitamins. Atkins is so bad a few pills a day can't rectify
all the damage it causes. Cardiac arrest with Atkins is inevitable.

The two things that have to be eliminated in America is Atkins/Low
Carb mentality and Senate Bill 722 which will eliminate nutritional
supplements. For if both continue and progress 2004 will go down as
the year America virtually killed itself with a political and
marketing brainwashing.

THere is nothing wrong with Carbs. People should consume carbs, then
use them to get excercise which would lower cholesterol, boost
imnmunity, enhance muscle tone, etc.

Complex carbohydrates provide numerous surreal benefits. Atkins is
just an epidemic that has lied innocently dormant for decades.

Companies which are claiming to be Atkins friendly, are really
claiming to be "Death Friendly". The claim "Atkins friedly" is bad and
those products should remain on store shelves until thrown out.

The media should never have allowed any type of advertising for
Atkins, nor allowed any type of mass communication of a lifestyle
which is worse than cigarette smoking.

Atkins Friendly really means Atkins Deadly.

On 19 Jun 2004 12:17:21 -0700, stopsenatebill722@yahoo.com (Steve
Randy Shilts Bayt) wrote:

As did the 40 or 50 years of low-fat marketing before that.

What an idiot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get yourself educated..

"Steve Randy Shilts Bayt" <stopsenatebill722@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Surely you jest!

I must commend you on this collection of bogus claims about Atkins. You
must be a Vegan from PETA or the PCRM.

Is it true the Senate bill would make 1000 mg vitamin C tablets illegal?

Dave
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/LowCarbHighFat/


"Steve Randy Shilts Bayt" <stopsenatebill722@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 19:19:07 GMT, dimlan17@yahoo.com (David) announced
in front of God and everybody:

Not to mention, oh, Vietnam, SUVs and reality television.

Dawn
(interesting selection of groups for a troll, though -- rec. arts.tv?)

In article <ab089dab.0406191117.7356b863@posting.google.com>,
Steve Randy Shilts Bayt <stopsenatebill722@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hey, just because they won't listen to you is no reason to go trashing
a workable, if a bit unusual, weight-loss method. And certainly no
excuse for spreading misinformation.

That's just one example of the misinformation. If it were true, we'd
all weigh hundreds of pounds from all the saturated fat we've eaten
over time. You've gone from being a net-nuisance to being a net-loon.
Congratulations.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

"Steve Randy Shilts Bayt" <stopsenatebill722@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Goodie goodie gum drops!

Well, Im sorry steve, I have to disagree with you.
Im sure according to the medical world it IS bad for you.
But hey they are not perfect and are learning things new all the time.
Maybe for some it is bad, I dont know. But I know for me it worked great.
I was 106kg before starting atkins. And my Cholestrol was 12.8. Blood
pressure was high, and I felt tired ALL the time.
With atkins in 6 months I was down to 60kg, my cholestrol was 4.3 and I had
energy for the first time in yrs.
I kept the weight off even when I started to introduce carbs back into my
life. Although, now I would say Im on a healthy way of life, everything in
moderation.
I wasnt bound up on atkins cause i drank about 4 lts of water a day, so I
wasnt dehydrated either.
I think, If you have tried everything else, and you go to your doctor and
get a blood work up first, give it a month or 2 and go for another work up
and compare the difference.
I sware by it

Fiona

"Steve Randy Shilts Bayt" <stopsenatebill722@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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You are misled. Atkins wants you to have carbs, just like the South Beach
diet does--he just wants you to keep them at 20 a day, moderating by 5 each
day in weekly periods, until you reach your desired weight. A person, like
myself, may be able to, with exercise, take in 100 carbs a day and keep at
his/her desired weight. Some need to be around 50 a day. This is still
plenty to live off of. Also, Atkins is more than bacon and eggs. In his
latest revised book, he tells the need to keep from over-indulging. All of
his books state that. You just haven't read them and are most likely going
by hearsay as many other do that bash the lifestyle change. All the
nutrients one needs can come from protein and vegetables. And you need not
take his supplements--take a brand you are most comfortable with. We all
need supplements as the RDAs are ridiculous. Preventative measures in
supplementation are in order.

Nat
The Green Market
Low Carb/Supplement Store

"Steve Randy Shilts Bayt" <stopsenatebill722@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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PS...I have been off Lipitor and blood pressure meds for 2 years after going
on a low carb lifestyle change. My blood work is incredible and I eat lots
of meat and more than enough sweets to satisfy my sweet tooth. I am not
deprived nor ever sick. It works, and Atkins proved this with over 30 years
of trials.
"Steve Randy Shilts Bayt" <stopsenatebill722@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"The Green Market" wrote


Thanks so much for the impartial opinion..
but where oh where can we find these supplements??






--
best regards,
Ra
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http://surfpick.com
Lignum Vitae
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At Costco, their Centrum knockoff is a good cheap vitamin. They also have
things such as fish oil, calcium, and whatever else you might feel the need
for.

In news:5T3Bc.2242$Z26.1881@bignews1.bellsouth.net,
Ra <usenet3@freetoys.com> stated
| "The Green Market" wrote
|
|| And you need not
|| take his supplements--take a brand you are most comfortable with.
|
|
| Thanks so much for the impartial opinion..
| but where oh where can we find these supplements??
|
|
|| Nat
|| The Green Market
|| Low Carb/Supplement Store
|
|
|
|
|
| --
| best regards,
| Ra
| ----------------------------------------------------
| http://surfpick.com
| Lignum Vitae
| ----------------------------------------------------

In article <ac4Bc.522$8L3.364@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
FOB <fob@ameritech.net> wrote:
Yep -- and the times I've seen Consumer Reports rate such supplements,
Costco has generally come out at or near the top of the list. Kickass
prices, too. The major downside is getting to the checkout lanes and
seeing all those people with full shopping carts (or several of them)
ahead of you.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

"Steve Randy Shilts Bayt" <stopsenatebill722@yahoo.com> wrote


You know, you're absolutely right!!!

Every person who does the Atkins diet will DIE someday!

Of course, so will low fat dieters, high-carb dieters, high-fat dieters,
non-dieters...etc.

Moron.
--
ClabberHead 4.01
aka
Iron Chef Atkins
248.5/196.0/185.0 Low-Carb since 5/1/03
Al-Team #"e" to 27 decimal places (2.71828182845904523536028747...)
"Think about how stupid the average person is, then remember half of them
are stupider than that!" - George Carlin

I am fortunate to be retired and can shop in the middle of weekdays when
stores are less crowded so I don't have a problem that way. Costco has a
lot of other wonderful things that I buy as well, I go there about once a
month and get frozen fish and shrimp, ground sirloin patties, their mixed
spring greens, almonds, etc.

"David Wright" <wright@clam.prodigy.net> wrote in message
news:zV4Bc.535$gW2.465@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com. ..
In article <ac4Bc.522$8L3.364@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,

Yep -- and the times I've seen Consumer Reports rate such supplements,
Costco has generally come out at or near the top of the list. Kickass
prices, too. The major downside is getting to the checkout lanes and
seeing all those people with full shopping carts (or several of them)
ahead of you.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Dawn Taylor <dawnetta@pacifier.com> wrote:

Dawn, I thought you'd left Usenet for good? I've missed your
contributions (even if I didn't always agree with your reviews) on the
films groups.







...
Mr. Hole

In article <5F5Bc.545$8L3.378@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com>,
FOB <fob@ameritech.net> wrote:
Indeed, you're just reminded me that I was in there the other day, and
they even sell Noni juice! $13 for 32 oz, I think it was. I bet
that's cheaper than your typical MLM products. Anyone know?

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

"Dave" <nospam@x.y> wrote in message
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No. Stevie objects to a bill that requires supplement manufacturers to
submit any adverse event report to the FDA. That is the sum and substance of
SB 722 in a nutshell.

Stevie does not like me.

On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 14:31:49 GMT, "M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t-June 20,
2004" <M.a.r.k P.r.o.b.e.r.t 06-20-04@lombercartel.com> wrote:

But you have to admit, his repeated posts against it have surreal
benefits. I get a good laugh out of them.

Curse you, Don Tickles, Notary Public!

On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 23:31:53 -0400, holefamily1@webtv.net (NOW STAND
BACK YOU ITs Mr Hole) announced in front of God and everybody:

I got tired of the constant rancor, frankly, as well as the huge
timesuck of posting/reading Usenet. I trimmed my participation down to
alt.support.diet.low-carb and now I do far less idiot-bashing. Usually
when trolls cross-post nonsense into the group from elsewhere,
unsurprisingly. :-)

I'm also doing a lot more writing professionally and I've got a weblog
-- two great outlets for writing that don't involved interacting with
racists, sexists, trolls and net-stalkers.

Nice to see you, though! Say hi to the boys at RAMCF for me.

Dawn