On Jul 23, 10:13 pm, Hachiroku $B%O%A%m%/(B <Tru...@e86.GTS> wrote:
Where I am I notice people are driving slower, less are speeding and
pushing around those near the limit.

Calab wrote:
Read the thread, or if you can't be bothered, the subject line. I'm
talking about 55MPH zones.


If I were to insist that 56 is speeding, I'd be called an idiot.
Since I allow a few mph for margin, you decide it's ok to call me an
idiot for "speed"ing. You have decided that since I don't agree with
you, I'm an idiot. Please just write that, and don't try to rationalize it.


Where the limit is 65, I either go 65 in the middle lane, or 60 in
the right lane, to save gas. I have no idea what the hell you do. I'm
not even sure that you formed an actual opinion before you posted.

Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:

Deja vu all over again. Most interstate limits were 70 mph before the
first round of insanity.

tnom@mucks.net wrote:

Speaking of "mandatory refresher courses": speeding in the right
lane is illegal, while going within a few mph of the speed limit in the
center lane of a 3 lane highway is considered legal - by the sane,
anyway. If speeders want to "hint" that driving legally is unacceptable,
then perhaps they are the ones who need that refresher course.

A few other clarifications before I retire from the snakepit:

* Where I live there are no "Keep Right" signs on 3 lane highways.
There are "slower traffic keep right" signs on uphill stretches, but
believe it or not they mean "slower than the speed limit", not "slower
than the dumbasses who want to speed in traffic."

* While newer cars are indeed capable of safely going faster than
55MPH, the highways are filled with drivers who aren't, and it's the
weakest link that determines the safety of a chain, not the strongest.
Most trucks and buses, and all tandem trucks, are barely safe at 55MPH.

* Where there are only four lanes I keep right. It's amazing all the
things people read into posts that aren't actually *in* them. I guess it
helps them justify their own reckless, wasteful driving.

"Leftie" <No@Thanks.net> wrote in message
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Anytime people are passing you on the right, you are in the wrong lane.
Period. The ONLY exception is when you have come up on somebody that is
driving too slow in the lane they are in, and yoiu are patiently waiting
your turn to pass them on the right because they are too dense to figure out
the error of their way.

Nobody cares that YOU think there are too many ramps, they only care that
you go camping in the wrong lane. It is you that is the idiot. Get over
yourself, and either drive faster, or move to the right. Since we are
talking about saving fuel, you should move over because speeding up costs
fuel.

When it takes you 5 miles to go around a big rig, or anything else for that
matter, then you are effectively choking the freeway down to one lane, and
this causes a huge traffic jamb behind you. When you can see the horizon
ahead of empty concrete, and nothing but cars stacked up behind you, it is
time for you to re-evaluate what you are doing.

Hachiroku ãƒ�ãƒ�ãƒ*ク wrote:

Not me. I just got back from a vacation trip to West Texas, and the
speed limit on I-10 is 80 out there. Very few people speed out there, by
the way- folks seem perfectly happy to cruise at 80 on the button.

But I digress- a national 55 mph speed limit would have almost doubled
the time required for my trip, and I would have been crawling along a
straight highway with sparse traffic that could easily support a much
faster speed. No thanks!

Speed limits should be set APPROPRIATELY for each roadway. Many urban
areas should have their current speed limits reduced. More rural areas
need to have their limits raised. Safety and practicality should be the
driving factors, not the ASSumption that all cars get better mileage at
55 (many do, but many others get a bit better mileage at 65-70).

"Leftie" <No@Thanks.net> wrote in message
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That's just craziness!

First, the speedo error is already built in. If your speedo says 60, you are
doing at least 58 in a modern car with any of the standard size tires that
the factory puts on that model. You can't set the speedo on 55, then make
the claim that your car was going faster but you did not know. Second, you
are not talking about momentary drifts above the limit, you are talking
about setting the Cruise to intentionally exceed the limit for miles on end.

You can do what you want, that's not my point. My point is that the
"longstanding standard" is a crock of shit. As a practical matter, the
highway patrol doesn't care very much about 60 in a 55, for the most part.
But they are not giving you a bye due to some longstanding standard, they're
giving you a bye because they have bigger fish to fry. They can wait 30
seconds and get some schmuck doing 80 if you get your slow-poking ass out of
the way.





Anytime you are being passed on the right, you are wrong. End of discussion.

I drive much the same as you (relative to the speed) because I have a truck
that is full of stuff all of the time, and I keep the speed down due mostly
to the fact that I also keep the weight up. I seldom get passed on the right
because when I venture out of the right lane, I speed up to pass the guy
that was in my way, then get back in the right lane when I am done. THAT is
the way you are supposed to drive in a civilized society. In your selfish
little world, you drive wherever the hell you want and piss everybody else
off.

On Jul 24, 12:49 am, Leftie <N...@Thanks.net> wrote:
What's stupid is driving in the incorrect lane. If people are passing
you on the right, you're at least one lane too far to the left.

nate

Mortimer wrote:

In the US it varies from area to area. Its generally considered "not
good," but is not expressly forbidden in most areas.
Depends on the highway. When the posted speed limit is 70 mph or lower,
trucks are generally not held to a lower limit. On rural interstate
highways (such as I-10 where I was travelling last week) the automobile
speed limit is 80, and trucks are limited to 70. At night, cars are
limited to 70 and IIRC trucks to 65. Some areas place limits on vehicles
based on axle count, or simply whether or not the vehicle is towing a
trailer (meaning that a pickup towing an RV trailer or stock trailer is
held to the same limit as an 18-wheel truck). I think it is california
(big surprise) that limits all vehicles with trailers to an absurdly low
speed like 55 or 60 mph. While I understand the reasoning for lowering
the limit for heavy vehicles, the big risk comes from creating a large
speed DIFFERENTIAL between vehicles sharing the highway. 10 mph
differential is acceptable in rural areas where passing is easy. Not
acceptable in urban areas where lane-changing is an exercise in frustration.

Apart from that, however, some trucking lines do install speed limiters
to contain fuel consumption, and where they set their limiter is up to
the company. I passed a few trucks that were apparently limited to about
60-65, but the majority were able to run 70. And a few were running up
closer to the car speed limit of 80.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:52:10 -0500, Steve wrote:

IIRC, you're from the .tech group.

I have pointed out in the Toyota group that my cars seem to get their best
economy right around 70 MPH. To prove this point, I drove about 150 miles
yesterday, almost all of it at ~70 MPH. The fuel needle hasn't dropped to
the 3/4 full mark yet.

Usually, in my every day driving, I manage 45-50 MPH almost steadily, and
at 120 miles the needle is right at the 3/4 mark...

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:20:21 -0500, Steve Austin wrote:


65, but back then although the cars were capable of 80 MPH, most people
didn't go over 70 because most of them had lousy suspensions.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:48:20 -0700, ransley wrote:


Hmmm...WHERE are you, again? (NOTE: I didn't check the other thread yet...)

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:24:33 +0000, badgolferman wrote:


Yeah, I was driving along and was getting pissed at the person *behind* me
for sitting in the left lane. S/he was far enough behind to pull in
without being to close, and was going the same speed as me, but just sat
there...

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:49:59 -0500, Leftie wrote:


In the center lane you should be doing the speed limit, and then anyone
passing on the right is wrong. However, it also kind of depends on the
density of the traffic, too.

And in the Toyota group, I have pointed out almost all the Toyotas I have
ever owned get their best economy ~70MPH. Usually ~15% better than at
55-60.

If other drivers are passing you on the right, you should move over in the
right lane. Slower traffic should always keep right

In Pennsylvania one can be sited from driving in the left most lane, unless
they are overtaking other vehicles. It will cost you $136 if you do not
move two the right after overtaking other vehicles

..

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On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:45:58 -0700, Jeff Strickland wrote:


Actually, he is correct. On a three-lane highway, the center lane was
meant for cars passing through at or near the speed limit, the left hand
lane was meant for passing, and the right lane was meant for people to
enter and exit the highway and blend in with traffic. Of course, we're
talking a system that was designed in the late 40's/early 50's and there
were a lot fewer cars on the road.

But our friend here is technically correct, and people should be passing
him on the left.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 08:32:50 -0500, Leftie wrote:


LOL! This is the real issue, isn't it?

Yeaterday was Wednesday. A LONG time ago I came to the conclusion
Wednesday is NOT a good day to be driving. I don't know why, but around
here all the k00ks come out. I ran into about a dozen of them yesterday,
just doing absolutely incredibly stupid things.

Then they wonder why their insurance is so high...

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 23:16:12 -0500, Brent P wrote:


I live in a rural area, but there are a few 'population centers' where the
ramps have been set up less than ideal, and the rub is there's only 2
lanes. One of these ramps is almost straight, so people are doing ~60 mph
when they get to the end; the problem is, *THEY* think they have the right
of way.

So, I'm doing 65, getting passed on the left by someone doing 75, and have
to contend with someone (usually in an F-250) coming on the highway at 60,
who thinks *I* need to slow down for him. And it seems that whenever I get
to this ramp, there's plenty of traffic and I can't move to the left, and
have almost gotten creamed plenty of times in the 30+ years I've had my
license...

On Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:11:26 -0700, spsffan wrote:

Once again, in the Toyota group I have said my cars get their best economy
~70, and it drops at 65. Sixty five is a good limit, and 70 should be the
max (the cops around here give you 7 MPH over highway speed.)

My question really is, who the hell is supporting the 55? I have seen
about a dozen. Everyone else is going MUCH faster than the speed limit,
with the norm being ~75.

"Leftie" <No@Thanks.net> wrote in message
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There is no need for a KEEP RIGHT sign, you should keep right for no other
reason than you are a reasonable person that likes to get along with his
fellow inhabitants of the highways.

A random car here and there passing on the right is not what we are pointing
out here. We are trying to impress on you that when cars are approaching
from the rear, and they break off to the left and right to get around you,
then you should move over. When they all go by and you want to camp out in
the center lane, by all means do so. Just watch for the next grouping of
cars coming up at the speed of sound, and get out of the way.

It is not your job to arbitrate the speed on the nation's highways, or the
small part of the universe that you reside in. If you want to conserve
fuel, go right ahead. Just don't get annoyed that people are passing you on
the right.




Why do you keep right where there are 4 lanes, but insist on clogging the
highways when there are only 3 lanes.

Who died and made you King of the Road? When you start buying the gas for
the rest of us, you can dictate our wasteful habits. Until then, you should
remain safely on the right lane of a 3-lane highway.