What is the labor time to R&R a waterpump on a 1987 Toyota Camry Sedan.

It would be the water pump with the housing.

Also the timing belt will be replace too. I believe the the belt needs to be
removed for this job so there shouldn't be additional labor.

If anyone has access to ALl Data or the Factory labor times that woulld be a
great help.

Also I heard that All Data times are on the high side?

4 cyl/3.2
6cyl/3.1

On Jul 30, 9:54 am, "Tube Audio" <tubeau...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
MOD says 3.6
+.2 for cruise control
+.1 for oil cooler interference
+.2 per pulley if your doing oil seals
hope this helps,
Ben

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I don't know, but if you were in Wheeling WV I could do it at home for you.
As I need the work.
Shops around here are getting $60.00 to $80.00 an hour.
Tony

Tube Audio wrote:
Using the average of the books I can access looks like 3.5 hours.

--
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York

I have done a bunch of these. I always urge the customer to do be
thorough, and replace the w/p, t/belt, oil seals, drive belts and
change the oil and filter, coolant and t/stat and hoses as necessary.
Cuts way down on comebacks and I end up with happier customers.
I usually charge 4.5 hours.
hth,
Ben

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AS most all that has to come off anyway, it is a good idea. I had about the
same thing done when I had the timing belt changed on my 1919 Camry. Not
much more labor and not that much in parts if the mechanic does not try to
charge for additional labor to replace things he has to take off anyway.

I had the timing belt and water pump replaced on a 2000 4runner with 3.4L
engine. They also replaced all the pulleys under the timing cover (at least
2). No tensioner was replaced (huh??). No seals either. I know you want
to know the hours, but the cost was exactly $1000.

Vito


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That's why people should just ask for a "package price" that includes
the oil seals, valve cover seal, pulleys, all belts and pump. Camry 4
cyl IIRC is around $400-500 and 6 cyl $700-900 depending on mechanic
or dealer.

The $180 coupon for belt only is just to get you in the door. Once
your car is apart some places will add on all the Christmas gifts they
need to buy, children's tuition, etc etc if you don't negotiate a
package first.

Typical parts replaced in a timing job:
(earlier www.rockauto.com prices for 5SFE, verify your application)
GATES TCK199 (kit of timing belt with two pulleys and instruction)
$84.79
GATES Part # K030295 PS belt $4.32
GATES Part # K050435 Alt/AC $12.12
FEL-PRO TCS45641 Cam seal $4.11
FEL-PRO TCS45920 Crank seal $6.04
BCA Part # 221820 Oil pump seal $2.71
AISIN (Toyota #16110-79185) water pump $58.79 or get an AIrtex from
your local NAPA store with a lifetime warranty which I prefer.
FEL-PRO VS50304R valve cover gasket set $13.94
BECK/ARNLEY 0396428 $1.87 (PCV grommet)



On Aug 18, 5:36*pm, "Uncle_vito" <uncle_vito2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

The hydraulic tensioner for the V6 should be the reusable one. You
just compress the pressure rod. No need to change unless worn, then
you'll hear a rattle in the timing belt area. From AllData 3-5 hours
for the whole job I would say (valve cover and pump). T-belt was about
3-4 hours.


On Aug 18, 5:36*pm, "Uncle_vito" <uncle_vito2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

johngdole@hotmail.com wrote:
I was going to insist on a Toyota pump, seals, and coolant when we
have this job done on our '95 Camry wagon. The shop we'll be using buys
from NAPA, though, and if that NAPA pump is really good then I'll just
have them use that. Can anyone else recommend it? I was also going to
let them use a NAPA timing belt. Can NAPA get good oil seals, or should
I provide those with the coolant?

Thanks for the lowdown on the tensioner. I figured there was nothing to
wear out, but on other makes of vehicles (chrysler) I think they would
replace it anyway just because they can make a case to do so by some swift
talking.


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The hydraulic tensioner for the V6 should be the reusable one. You
just compress the pressure rod. No need to change unless worn, then
you'll hear a rattle in the timing belt area. From AllData 3-5 hours
for the whole job I would say (valve cover and pump). T-belt was about
3-4 hours.


On Aug 18, 5:36 pm, "Uncle_vito" <uncle_vito2...@yahoo.com> wrote:

"Tensioner" is an ambiguous term at best and can mean different things
to different people.

The tensioner PULLEY should be replaced on either a Chrysler (3.5 or
3.2) or Toyota, just because its good insurance while you're that far
into it.

The tensioner PLUNGER which applies pressure and damping to the
tensioner pulley generally never has to be replaced on either one.


Uncle_vito wrote:

On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:36:19 -0500, Leftie <No@Thanks.net> wrote:


From what I've heard Toyota pumps are very well made.
I suggest you use Toyota parts even if you have to fetch them
yourself.
Not knocking NAPA parts, but if I had a Toyota I'd go with Toyota
parts.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:
It depends... Toyota, like most carmakers (GM being a remaining
exception, and even its getting rarer as they continue to spin off
former divisions like Delphi), doesn't make its own waterpumps,
alternators, starters, A/C compressors, oil pumps, wheel bearings, and
other accessories. Carmakers all tend to spec very good parts from the
original vendors when they build the cars, but over the years after a
given model is built, the contract for producing replacement parts gets
re-negotiated, so there's NO guarantee that the same supplier that made
waterpumps for 96 Camrys when they rolled off the assembly line is
making the waterpump you get at the Toyota dealer for a 96 Camry today.
In fact its very likely the same vendor that NAPA uses.


And in some cases when a carmaker under-specs an OEM part and there's a
rash of failures, the aftermarket suppliers respond with improved parts
faster than the OEM parts supply chain does.

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:08:02 -0500, Steve <no@spam.thanks> wrote:


Lumina, and asked for a Delco. I got OEM, but it wasn't Delco.
Started with remans, and after 2 bad ones Murray's gave me a new
one at the same cost to shut me up.
So what you say is no surprise.
Always heard good things about those Toyotas waterpumps.

--Vic

True. In fact, AC Delco was an award-winning Toyota supplier of AC
system parts for their trucks. Lately Toyota's started using some
(IMO) cheap stuff like Bridgestone tires instead Michelin, NBK brake
pads instead of Akebono, Bando belts instead of Gates, etc.

Cost savings in a major factor. But for typical maintenance items
people can do better for less.

Sure, maybe there are people who use only Toyota gas in their tanks,
Toyota air in their tires, and even drive on Toyota roads only. Not
me. ;)



On Aug 19, 12:08*pm, Steve <n...@spam.thanks> wrote:

Check www.rockauto.com for Delco stuff. When you order from local
parts stores they often substitute their usual contract line of
products from which they get discounts.

Delco is OEM manufacturer and also a redistributor, so they also rebox
what they don't make. You have to tell local stores "do not
substitute". NAPA is just simpler in case of warranty issues.



On Aug 19, 6:05*pm, Vic Smith <thismailautodele...@comcast.net> wrote:

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:31:02 -0700 (PDT), johngdole@hotmail.com wrote:

remans. Probably the 2 failing remans were Delco. I didn't look, my
kid did the job. First one the clutch solemoid shorted out within a
week, blowing the A/C fuse, and the second one was leaking at the
shaft seal after a few weeks. Right when I got to Florida of course.
New one is still working fine after more than a month.
Knock on wood.

--Vic

Vic Smith wrote:

Well, an OEM A/C compressor for a GM would probably be a Harrison (or
back in the old days, a Frgidaire.) I don't know if today GM also uses
Nippondenso and Sanden like everyone else does or not. Delco/Delphi only
made GM electrical parts, Saginaw made steering and suspension parts,
Harrison made heating/cooling parts, Rochester made fuel system parts...
etc. etc. etc.