Greetings,

Moving the car differs from accelerating the car. I only
meant it did not have enough acceleration for my wife and me.
The term "enough" has a subjective quality. For my wife and my
self, it did not have enough. If you have no problems with
its acceleration, then for you, it has enough.

I apologize for making such a absolute statement, and hence
nonsensical statement, about something that different
people can honestly view differently.

Sincerely,
Bill Thomas

Philip® wrote:

Tegger® wrote:

You missed my point, apparently by a WIDE margin: Richard asked about
reliability problems with the Prius in cold weather. You mentioned the
Japanese, implying that the only way we'd be able to find out about the
Prius' cold weather performance would be to ask a Japanese Prius owner. I
replied by saying that there's an AMERICAN Prius owner who has driven TWO
different Prius models (a 2001 and a 2004) in SUBZERO weather (Minnesota,
to be precise) with no ill effects, posting a link to his website, where he
keeps a log of his experiences with the Prius.

If that doesn't say anything about how reliable the Prius is in cold
weather, I don't know what is.

<snip newbieish non-sequitur about Japanese posting on Usenet>

<snip>

Fortunately, those of us who regularly read translated manga and
Japanese-paginated English-language magazines like Newtype USA and Shonen
Jump know the difference. :)
--
Glenn Shaw
Indianapolis, IN USA
Sergeant-at-Arms, Indiana Animation Club (www.indyanime.org)
To e-mail, remove NOSPAM and transpose CAST and NET

"cyber" <cyber@space.com> wrote in message
news:8nee40hej4fk3fvd0dg9gduaahjtqjumob@4ax.com...
Of the two I'd rather have a Prius, simply because Camrys are so damned
common. They're a dime a dozen, so to speak. That's why I like driving my
rather unique-looking car, the Echo. The new Echoes look pretty much like
all the other small cars, though. Glad I got an early model.

Natalie


---
Outgoing mail is scanned by both Norton Anti-Virus and AVG
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.608 / Virus Database: 388 - Release Date: 3/3/2004

Serves them right. They love high taxes anyway, so I dont want to hear
any whining from the gay bay! ;D

--



"I am saddened that Vietnam has yet again been inserted into the campaign."
"We do not need to divide America over who served and how."
John Kerry, Feb 27, 1992


"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because
I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his
hands is a real and grave threat to our security."--Sen. John F. Kerry
(D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.


"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing
capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.
"[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp
for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with
weapons of mass destruction is real ...
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.

In news:1ZR1c.32090$US1.20751@newssvr16.news.prodigy. com,
Tom <sg7188@snet.net> being of bellicose mind posted:
Good designs persist while bad designs go away. Internal combustion
to you means gasoline. But there are many other fuels the internal
combustion engine can use. BTW, there's an internal combustion
engine in hybrid cars too. LOL
--

- Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM

In news:TtS1c.283$y24.264@news.cpqcorp.net,
Bill Thomas <Bill_Thomas@hp.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
Bill: The ONLY rational question to ask you is (since a 160 hp Camry
is not slow): WHAT are you comparing a new four cylinder Camry to?

In my "fleet" I've got two motorcycles that likely make your car look
like a stone from 0-100 mph. At the other end of the spectrum, I"ve
got a diesel powered Datsun truck (no turbo). It has all the
acceleration of a 36 hp VW Beetle. IN the middle, a 2003 Corolla
with only 132 hp. Plenty of zip for the mountains of California and
short freeway onramps.
--

- Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM

"Philip®" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net.invalid> wrote in message >

Bill: The ONLY rational question to ask you is (since a 160 hp Camry
Heck, our '97 Camry 4 cyl. with 118k miles has more than enough power to get
onto a freeway ramp at speed, and cruises at 80 with no problem. I don't
do jackrabbit starts ...which my account for the fact that the tires didn't
need replacement until 90k miles. If and when I get a new Camry, it will
also be a four. Perhaps in steeply mountainous country one would need a
six, but I see no need for it in fairly level country.

Glenn Shaw <togusa@NOSPAMcomnet.cast> spake unto the masses in
news:18i2o3tyoadf7.yv9p1wai7bis$.dlg@40tude.net:


No, I said he couldn't *understand* the Japanese Prius owner. We speak left
to right. They speak right to left. That's why Japanese is so hard to
understand.

Did you know that if you play a Japanese CD backwards, it becomes English?




Yeah, but he drives in English. In Japan they drive in Japanese. And on the
other side of the street.



I read a Japanese magazine once. Didn't make a whit of sense. Except the
ads, which were all in English.




--
TeGGeR®

What the bleeping bleep... Facts?? Data??? I don't want any part of
such unAmerican, Commie pinko tri-bi-quad-lateral euro-ruski
commission trash! I just want to rant....

In news:Xns94A36058CF149teggeratistop@207.14.113.17,
Tegger® <teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> being of
bellicose mind posted:
Did you know that if you lift up on the toilet lever .....
--

- Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM

"Philip®" <1chip-state1@earthlink.net.invalid> spake unto the masses in
news:Bs12c.20200$yZ1.17944@newsread2.news.pas.eart hlink.net:


Is that true for Japan too?


--
TeGGeR®

Greetings,

When you get down to subjective, i.e. personal opinions,
logic, facts, and other such stuff does not matter. When it
does not do what you would like it to do, it does not make
the cut. We probably compared the V4 performance to the last
car we had or some other car we had driven or to how scared
we were when trying to merge ahead of an 18 wheeler.

Sincerely,
Bill Thomas

In news:Qa32c.314$mz4.58@news.cpqcorp.net,
Bill Thomas <Bill_Thomas@hp.com> being of bellicose mind posted:
For those who whine about insufficient power from a high revving
shrill four cylinder car that has faster 0-60 mph times, the real
desire is to have a rumbling, lumpy idling, low rpm V8 that in spite
of slower 0-60 times. The visceral is more important than truth.

Ok. I know what your thinking is about now.

What I suggest you do is start planning your passing and merging
BETTER because sooner or later, more horsepower is going to get you
into a situation that poor planning is responsible for. Try pulling
in BEHIND the 18 wheeler. You are a stupid man to squeeze in front
of a semi truck because then he is close behind you and his brakes
are no where near as effective as yours. You get SQUISHED. Trucker
walks away.
--

- Philip @ Maximum Torque RPM

On 5 Mar 2004 01:52:42 GMT, "Tegger®"
<teggeratistopdotcom@changetheobvious.invalid> wrote:

Too expensive today. How about in 20 years? What if gas prices go up
significantly?

With mass-production, the costs would change radically. We'll see.
They seem to be a vastly better solution than pure electric, at least.

Alan Shutko <ats@acm.org> wrote in
news:87n06xa32b.fsf@wesley.springies.com:

We were set on getting a Prius, and a sympathetic sales manager told
us where they were heading and whether they were sold. We just got
one, a mere three weeks after initiating the search.

It's great.

JMK

"Philip®" wrote:

Oh, absolutely, but people get much more pissed off about stuff that
other people do *to* them.

"

Yes: yours, after I rip out your lungs :_>

Earlier I incorrectly wrote:

Agghh, sorry, the Prius is still smaller than the Camry, 96 ft^3 versus 102 ft^3.

"Philip®" wrote:

Understood. The shiite will really be hitting the fan when regular
costs that much in Tulsa.

"Tegger®" wrote:

Snort. As if any business *needs* an H2.

It's social engineering, of course. An economically viable business doesn't
need a government subsidy in the form of a writeoff, and an honest capitalist
wouldn't take one.

Meet me here in 2007 to compare notes.