Not an answer to your question but I had 2 4WD 1983 Tercel Wagons and I
never thought the shifting was too bad. Some clutch chatter was common and
moving out of 4WD took a lot of force sometimes. It was a crude 4WD system
but nothing particularly bad about changing gears and I never replaced a
clutch for the 70k plus miles I drove each of these cars. Brakes sucked on
the 83's though and steering took a lot of effort. Also there was no power
from the engines.



"Jon Dalton" <groovin4god@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I know there are some Toyota master mechanics here, and I hope you read
this. I'm buying a transmission for a 1984 Tercel 4WD as part of a package
deal, it was bought new from the dealer in 2000 or 2001. Toyota redesigned
the 2nd and 3rd gear synchros to correct bad shifting on these
transmissions, as outlined in a TSB for the car in 1990. My question is,
would the transmission purchased in 2000 contain the redesigned synchros or
the old, crappy synchros?

"Jon Dalton" <groovin4god@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I would think that you would need to find out when the transmission was
built exactly to determine whether or not it was upgraded to the new parts.

Jon Dalton wrote:


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So unless the transmission was made after the new parts came out, the old
parts are still in it? I would hope that they would have put the new
synchros in every transmission that they sell. I would be disappointed if I
was the one who bought the new transmission and the old synchros started
giving me trouble later on. I can't complain though, because I'm spending
so little on this transmission.
"MDT Tech®" <ssauer40@repaimen.com> wrote in message
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My 1986 has problems with 2nd and 3rd, as did my 1985. I doubt it was very
bad when the car was new, but my 1986 had the problems when I bought it at
only 136,000 km. The 1985 only developed them around 300,000. I get the
clutch chatter sometimes, and they also had a revision to fix that problem.
I have plans to correct the lack of engine and braking power. My 85 didn't
have power steering but the 86 does. How high was the total mileage on your
cars?

"Art" <begunaBUTNOSPAM@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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I drove each about 70k miles. The headgasket was going on one when I got
rid of it. Each always had brake problems.

By the way, underneath the 83's at least had cheap stiffeners which attached
diagnally. Just metal tubes flattened at each end. All 4 (2 on each car)
had cracks where they fastened to the vehicle by bolts. Could not see
cracks unless you looked very carefully because they were right next to
bolts. If your year has same stiffeners underneath you may want to look for
cracks and replace them if necessary. Should improve handling and tire
wear. If you have owner manual, it showed under routine maintenece 6 bolts
underneath that were supposed to be tightened routinely. 4 were for the
stiffeners.


"Jon Dalton" <groovin4god@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Wow. You have a 84 tercel and it is still running ? And you bought a
new transmission on it ? I guess the car must have some sentimental to
you.

"Jon Dalton" <groovin4god@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<LhJ1c.4175$n37.220547@read2.cgocable.net>...

Thanks for the tip. I'll check those stiffeners. I've never had brake
problems even after 300,000km, other than just pads and rotors. The 85 had
rusted out front supports but the 86 has a perfect frame.

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"JW" <buywheels@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I drive an '83 Celica daily.. it definitely has sentimental value, but
more than that .. it's cheap as hell to own and operate.
The thing gets 28mpg, which is good enough for me.

I assume that's why Jon still has his Tercel..

It's a combination of sentimentality, utility and style. I just don't like
any other cars as much, therefore I don't seek to replace it with other
cars.

The Tercel does not 'need' a new transmission nor anything much for that
matter - I just know a good deal when I see one. The deal also includes
some rust-free quarter panels and other body parts, most of what I need to
get my Tercel back to rust-free condition.
"Celica Dude" <shore@noteven.com> wrote in message
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I'd go ahead and get it personally ... heck, even if it *does* have the
pre-updated parts in it, you could still get a lot of miles out of it before
the problem showed itself.

"Jon Dalton" <groovin4god@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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The deal is set already. At $300 for the parts lot, it's a steal
considering that wreckers want at least $300 for a used transmission. The
purpose of getting another transmission is to be able to work on one while
still driving the car. Since I double clutch by force of habit (years of
driving cars with bad synchros) any transmission I drive will likely last.
I'm glad to hear you're keeping your 83 celica. Those are nice cars too.

"Celica Dude" <shore@noteven.com> wrote in message
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