My skin is
aging and I noticed a crease on my left cheek the
other day. What are products that *actually* fluff
out your cells and decrease wrinkles? I was just at
Whole Foods contemplating the facial moisturiser lines
but didn't know what really works and what is hype.

some of the things were alpha-hydroxy acid and vitamin
c. Lots of green tea was around. I used to use
Retinol but they didn't have it at Target anymore and I haven't
managed to remember to look elsewhere.
Was that stuff "retine-a" or something like that?

In article <4106cd4b.0309141915.686acd42@posting.google.com>, Kate
<katehallberg@yahoo.com> wrote:

First, the boring part. Wrinkles are going to come, no matter what.
From smiling, squinting, whatver. There are things you can do to
prevent more. Avoid the sun. Always wear good strong sunglasses and
sunblock even on overcast days (I wear both year round)

Keeping the skin moisturized helps as well, along with avoiding any
habitual facial gestures.

I've never found anything to actually remove them. Botox paralyzes the
muscle, masking them, but injecting botulism into the skin kind of
creeps me out. AHA exfoliate the skin and can help a bit, but they also
make the skin much more sensitive to sun, therefore increasing the risk
of more wrinkles down the road.

I've seen lot's of praise of par-elastyl or whatever it is, but I'm
hesitant to believe it. Most of those globs of chemicals can't really
penetrate the skin.

My grandmother had almost no wrinkles when she died at 87. She never
drank, smoked or hung out in the sun. She used ivory soap and cold
cream, so go figure.

jules

There are face exercises you can do. I woman wrote a book about it. I've
done a yoga exercise for many years I think is called "the laughing lion"?

Aging sking is really the result of two things
(1) loss of firmness to the skin itself which is attributed to the break
down of collagen or less efficient production and
(2) fat
Otherwise what Jules said is correct, the sun is the absolute worst
especially for smile wrinkles around the eyes and the corners of the mouth
I avoid the sun like a vampire and knew a woman well into her 70s that had
no wrinkles who used only a cold cream

So a moisturizer is important. I like Neutrogenia products.
There are also massage techniques for the face which I do when applying
moisturizer, particularly in the morning

Physical activity (particularly of an aerobic nature) and diet without red
meat, sugar and acid things (I'm a Macrobiotic) will also improve your
appearance. There is no justice in being inactive and looking as though you
are otherwise. I've found the older you get the less forgiving your body is
and after a certain point to look good requires you earn it, which I can
tell you 1st hand is achievable but I've had no sun damage either

What you describe sounds like your skin is starting to stretch, which is
first noticeable with larger pores. All of the foregoing will put your face
into it's best state it can be and from there you can determine whether what
you have is reversible or may require cosmetic surgery. Some of those
procedures are common and inexpensive

These other products you mention are expensive and to some extent do do what
you describe, they puff up your skin to make the wrinkles less noticeable
they are of course of a symptomatic nature and are expensive

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There are a number of books and videotapes on face exercises. I have
'Facercise' and 'Face Aerobics', but I haven't done the exercises regularly
enough to see if they work. You can buy them on Amazon and sometimes on
eBay. If you have a choice, definitely get a video instead of a book. It's
hard to follow the instructions in the books. I also do yoga, and my
instructor says that if you scrunch up your face and then open it as wide as
you can a few times a day, "You'll never need a facelift!" I don't know
about that, though. It seems a little too easy.

Regarding diet, I had pretty good skin to start with, but despite using
top-end skin care (DeCleor) I tended be blotchy and to get red, flaky spots
around the mouth/chin. Also occasional pimples. When I cut way back on
non-vegetable carbs, sugar, and processed foods, the splotches went away
completely, my skin tone evened out, no pimples, and I am convinced that the
small wrinkles that were beginning to appear have been diminished, although
I may be fooling myself on that one. So I am a true believer that good skin
starts with a quality diet. FYI, I think it took about 2-3 months for my
skin to improve after changing my way of eating.

Jay


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I think the only thing that works for sure is Botox. Some women swear
by La Mer products, but at those prices Botox may be cheaper in the
long run. If the only wrinkle that's bothering you right now is the
line on your left cheek, a couple of Botox shots may be the way to go.
I don't know a lot about the procedure.

HTH,
Nina

I stop using my cremes, etc. for a month and suddenly my skin looked like hell.
I use copper peptides, Vitamin C, a DMAE creme, matrixyl/regenerist and retin A
in rotation.

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I swear by the Avon Anew stuff in the jar with the gold cap, and have been
using it for about a year now.
Did it make the eye wrinkles disappear? No.
But it sure makes them a lot less noticeable.
If I get lazy on weekends and don't use it, I definitely see a difference.

Stace

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I totally agree.....I don't realize how much good something is doing until I
do without for awhile!
When I was in my thirties I was addicted to EL Fruition. Kept my skin clear
and smooth. Every time I tried to help the budget and use something less
expensive, my skin suffered.
Now I try just about anything I can get my hands on: samples, gwp's etc.
Surprisingly I've had good results from OoO Regenerist during the day and
Avon Ultimate at night. First time ever that drug store type products have
done it for me. But I do rotate the Regenerist with other serums: APW,
Idealist, and Bvlgari Vert...something. Night time is a free for all with
all the samples and little jars of various potions rotated according to my
mood and what my skin feels like. This variation in routine has made a
noticable difference.
Of course, sunscreen during the day and I make sure to use something on my
neck and chest area as well.
Generally I think I've done more to *prevent* wrinkles than reverse them. My
skin is quite a bit smoother than alot of other women much younger than me.
However, I am a few pounds overweight, which fluffs my face (face vs butt
syndrome?) and my dh is a tremendous source of stress reduction. Stress is
hard on the face....just look in the mirror next time you are stressed out.
Yes, products help. As long as one keeps using them.
DeB

On the recommendation of a friend who's a skincare freak I began using Dr.
Perricone's Vitamin C Ester Concentrated Restorative Cream with NTP Complex and
DMAE.

I think I started using it in February. At first I was going on pure blind
trust, not really seeing any change in my skin. But now I can honestly say
that my diligence and trust have paid off: Wrinkles are much diminished and
the places where I have leftover scarring from adolescent acne have become
noticeably smoother.

Very spendy stuff (for me, anyway) but worth every damn nickel. As my skincare
pal says, "If I were running out of the stuff I'd crawl to Sephora to get more.
Even in a blizzard."

P.S. Perricone recommends this for nighttime use and also says it's not for
use around the eyes. Both my pal and I use it morning and night and also
around the eyes, no problems.

EMiriamD

"No fashion is ever a success unless it is used as a form of seduction."
-- Christian Dior

I think it really helps to keep you skin well moisturized. I've used La
Prairie serums for 17 years as well
as other creams and products. I use sunscreen daily, PC's anti-oxidant serum
and I drink a lot of water.
Also, I eat a well balanced diet with lots of fresh foods. Lastly, I
inherited good skin from my parents

Audrey

I'm almost 30 but I recently started using Kinerase at night. I swear my
skin looks so beautiful and the little laugh lines I was getting around my
eyes are definitely less noticable.

Wrinkles? How I got rid of most of mine:

I concentrated on eating a fresh and healthy--lots of fish, veggies and
water, good quality exercise that doesn't stress the body, (power yoga,
pilates), good beauty products, always using sunscreen with the highest spf
and good sex--good sex does wonders for the skin.

Oh and there are some good supplements like Flax oil, silica and colustrum.
Also, you must remember to get good sleep and breathe deeply throughout the
day.

Botox.







DG

I swear by Avon's Anew Produts i've been using them for several years
and i am happy to say i am very pleased with the results. Other than a
hint of crows feet...i will not try anything else out there.

Has anyone heard of Strivectin? It was developed for reducing stretch
marks, and apparently was found to reduce wrinkles too. I never heard
of it until a friend asked me if it had ever been mentioned on AF.

Lily

On 16 Sep 2003 01:22:30 GMT, maladicta1@aol.com (Maladicta1) wrote:

I did the same thing late this summer while we were at Tahoe. I
thought my skin could use a break from cremes etc., and anyway what
could upset it in such a lovely, serene, pure environment.?

Hah. My skin went berserk and I looked like I'd been hit with a sack
of gravel. I think it took extra satisfaction, in a diabolical way, in
showing me what would happen if I ever neglected it.

I was shocked, shocked I say, at this display of vindictiveness and
immediately slathered it with Olay's Sensitive cream and lotion, which
it accepted with an air of strained politeness, just short of
condescension, with the unspoken but quite perspicuous message that I
had better not fuck up again.





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