Dear all:

My 1995 Prelude was owned by a Middle aged Tech Sgt in the Air
Force. She learned some very valuable habbits on how to take care of
cars from her father. For example: when she was a teenager, she was
not allowed to even drive the car unless the car was cleaned and
waxed! Her father instilled in her a sense of pride and joy in having
a top notch car. Furthermore, she never drove the car hard and never
raced/abused her baby, the Prelude. I am a very happy owner of this
1995 Prelude. I didn't even realize how lucky I was to finid such a
great previous owner until today:

Today, the difference this kind of caring became very clear to
me. I went a drive a 1997 Prelude, thinking that I was going to buy
it because it has a VTEC engine. I thought since my 1995 is only an
Si model, I could use the extra horses. To my surprise, the 1997 VTEC
didn't make the car that much faster. I am not even sure if it was
faster at all. I, for one, could not appreciate the VTEC coming on at
5500 rmp.

To make matters worse, the 1997 sounded rougher (even though it
only has 160,000 miles, while my 1995 has 171,000 miles). Comparing
the condition of the cars, my 1995 beats the 1997 hands down. My 1995
is just a joy to drive and is very smooth. The 97 has louder engine
sounds and just in general rides rougher.

So, it became an easy call to make. I decided not to get the 97
Prelude. Let me be clear: I was very sincere about buying the 97
before I went out there. In fact, I was carrying $4500 in CASH with
me. See, when I really test drive a car, I don't waste people's time.
I carry the cash with me and I would have bought it if the car had
really wowed me.

So, here is my observation, now after having driven both a 4th
gen and a 5th gen Prelude: 1. How a car is taken care of makes a huge
differenct. 2. The VTEC 97 (200hp) and the 95 Si (160hp) really do
not have that big of a gap in terms of acceleration from 0-60. 3. The
97 is heavier. 4. The styling of the 97 is less cool than the 95
(the fifth gen is too tame in terms of styling).

Points 1-4 translates into my 1995 Lude being more fun to drive
than the 1997 one I saw today.

If you want to see my 1995 prelude it is here:
http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/index...21584&size=big

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/index...21585&size=big

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/index...21586&size=big


If you want to see the ad in for the 1997 Lude: it is here:
http://autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ca...or=&cardist=13


As you can see, just from the picture, you can't tell that 1997
is worse than my 1995, but trust me, the moment you drive the two, you
will know that my 1995 was much better taken care of than the 1997.


What has been your experience with different generations of cars?
Did you find that you improved your lot when you stepped up to the
newer generations? I must say, I had expected to be wow'd, but it
didn't happen. Maybe my expectations were too high. Who knows.
Shrug.


sincerely. Dr. Moser.

On 9 Feb 2004 15:07:47 -0800, saylo1234@aol.com (LovingPerson) wrote:

Did you take the VTEC to the redline?

"LovingPerson" <saylo1234@aol.com> wrote in message
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Must have been fun in the winter.

LovingPerson wrote:
OK, this doesn't make any sense... You imply that you're the second owner
of a very well cared for car and now you're abusing it by spinning out the
tires on some oil just to make some nifty pictures? Go Figure! Perhaps you
didn't learn anything from the prior owner's diligence.

LovingPerson wrote:

So very tasteful. Pure rice.

"Bill 2" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote in message news:<vMUVb.91354$IF6.2455676@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>...
Funny you should mention that. I bought the car in the dead of winter
and the car was waxed! She says that even in weather like this, she
would still go out there and wax it, just because it has become a
habbit and she really respects her car. I can't say that I have kept
up with her habbit. In fact, the car is definitely in need of a wash
and a spray (ie wash away all the salt). It takes a lot of work to
keep a car clean and in tip top running condition!

sincerely.

"LovingPerson" <saylo1234@aol.com> wrote in message
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As much as I love a shiny clean waxed car, it is too much for me to keep the
salt off in the winter. Within a day it's covered again, plus it can be hard
to wash the car when it's cold out. Although when it is mild out I do try to
wash off all the salt, and I'm sure to wax it up before and after winter.

"223rem" <223rem@sbcglobal.com> wrote in message
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Headlights must have amazing range.

Isn't it not good to floor a FWD when the wheels are turned full lock?

John Ings <nodamned@spam.org> wrote in message news:<d15g20tnn6ooutu9tuknj6c0t84veel9n8@4ax.com>. ..
did not mean to take to redline, but at one point, I did do it.

When I wasn't at redline, I was right below red line. Let me tell ya,
I drove the crap out of this Lude on the test drive. But it didn't
exceed my expectations. As I say, I may have had my expectation set
too high because I had some unrealistic idea of the VTEC dual cam.

sincerely.

I own a '98 and once it hits 5000rpm it moves. Maybe something was wrong
with the one you took for a test drive. Perhaps something was wrong with
the ECU? I know that if the speed sensor is malfunctioning V-TEC won't
work. I'm sure there are other things that could cause it not to kick in


"LovingPerson" <saylo1234@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Bill 2" <asdf@asdf.com> wrote in message news:<HhYVb.91483$IF6.2464312@ursa-nb00s0.nbnet.nb.ca>...
No. No. No. You guys. You guys have it all wrong. The wheels are
not spinning at all in those pics!

Please take another look. The smoking pictures were not done with oil
or with the engine revving or the back wheels locked! I would never
ever abuse my baby like that.

Beside if you guys were right, then are you saying that this Legend
1995 GS with a type II 230 HP engine was abused the same way (see pic
below)? Let me be very up-front and say that NO. Neither the Legend
(Mint and Rare find because it is GS and black on black) NOR the Lude
was in the least bit abused during the making of these special effects
action shots. JUST LOOK AT THE WHEELS. (in the pic, the wheels are
not spinning AT ALL!)

here are the Legend pics:

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/index...21791&size=big

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/index.pl?photo=121790

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/index.pl?photo=121795

http://gallery.pethobbyist.com/index.pl?photo=121792


Let me know if you were able to see the wheels sitting completely
static and non-moving.

sincerely. Dr. Moser.

LovingPerson wrote:
Obviously without LSD you could have one wheel spinning and the other
static.

How do you explain the smoke coming out of the left hand front wheelarch
then?
--
James

"LovingPerson" <saylo1234@aol.com> wrote in message
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Why "add" smoke after when in your other pics there is no driver in the car?
are you trying to show that the car is overheating? I dont understand.....

Also the description of the black car says Peeling out ?

Are you ok?????

On 2/10/04 5:50 AM, in article c0agi1$pq2$1$8300dec7@news.demon.co.uk,
"James" <james@james.com> wrote:


Uh, look closely at the first picture - there is no driver in the car.

"E. Meyer" <e.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org> wrote in message
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Maybe he just washed the engine at the car wash, and is running it to dry it
out.

Apparently on date 10 Feb 2004 03:37:15 -0800, saylo1234@aol.com (LovingPerson)
said:

I always abuse my cars horribly. Got to teach them who is master, I reckon.

It has amazingly little effect on tyre life, too.

I was helping someone to horribly abuse a 25 year old car yesterday, we had it
in fourth, second, handbrake on hard and then tried to start it, over and over
again. All sorts of noises, and it got especially smelly when we had it up to
about forty in second and then locked up the wheels with the throttles wide
open.

The clutch finally gave up resisting our demands and freed itself with a major
thump, but it was fun while it lasted. Goodness knows what anyone watching
would have thought we were up to.

Loads of smoke.

LovingPerson <saylo1234@aol.com> wrote in message
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<snippage>

<more snippage>

Think along the lines of Si engine will be revving lower, and if it's owned
by someone with a lot of pride in their car and has a technical background,
it's very likely that at the very least it's been serviced as per the
schedule, if not had interim oil changes. A V-tec car will be likely to have
stiffer suspension simply because it's a sportier model.

I'll give you another clue. THE 97 CAR IS HEAVIER, SO IT NEEDS MORE POWER TO
ACELLERATE AS QUICKLY AS A 95. Not feeling a kick in the back when the V-tec
is meant to kick in suggests to me that it's broken... Go and drive 10 or 20
97 V-tecs and the same number of 95 Si cars, and see which in general is
better. It's not unknown for cars to get worse when they're updated, but two
cars which came off the production line one after the other, built to the
same standards can drive very differently if one's perfectly maintained and
the other has had oil changes neglected and the suspension's worn.

LovingPerson <saylo1234@aol.com> wrote in message
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And less of the crossposting please. I'm not sure if you read most of the
groups on this list so I've continued the crosspost...

VTEC's wank, end of story.

Just out of interest, why does this oh so wonderful anechdote need to be
crossposted ?


--
Lordy

"Lordy" <spam@recycle.bin> wrote in message
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So the people in alt.honda know that VTEC's are wank :)

--
Dan
http://www.danontherun.com