CAUCASIAN TEEN CASES (entire USA) BETWEEN July 1983 and December 2001 =
916.

NINE HUNDRED AND SIXTEEN in nearly 18 years or a mere 51 cases a year.
NOT EVEN ONE CAUCASIAN TEEN CASE PER US STATE A YEAR.
NOT EVEN ONE!

Check for yourself at: - http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats/hasr1302/table7.htm

In the same period people over 60 (caucasian) had 9,338 cases.
Those old folks must be sex mad - Nine times MORE sex than teenagers.

....or could it just be that 'AIDS' is not an std?

Surely not? God forbid! Perish the thought!

"PaulKing" <aimulti@aimultimedia.com> wrote in message
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It is not surprising at all that there are very few teenage cases of AIDS in
the US. The most common way for a person to progress to AIDS while still a
teenager is to be infected at birth through mother to child transmission of
HIV. And this is not very common in the US for several reasons one of which
is that it is fairly easy to prevent by giving the HIV infected mother a
course of prenatal anti-retroviral treatment.

The other reason for a low prevalence of AIDS in teenagers is the length of
time it takes for HIV to progress to AIDS in a patient. This progression
takes between 5 and 10 years on average so unless the child is having high
risk sex between birth and 14 years of age it is very unlikely for them to
have an AIDS diagnosis before their 20th birthday. Do you understand now why
your seen with such disdain by those who have a modicum of knowledge about
HIV and AIDS Paul?

Of course Paul seems to confuse HIV infection and AIDS two very different
conditions often in his meaningless drivel. He does this to confuse those
who reads his propaganda with the goal of making them doubt the truth so he
has more opportunity to pedal his lies, half truths and fantasies.



Gary Stein

"This progression takes between 5 and 10 years on average"

What utter nonsense Gary.

You are not so stupid (I hope) that you don't know CDC statistics are
based on test results NOT full blown 'AIDS'.

Are you really telling everyone they should wait five to ten years before
testing?

If so, you are getting part of the right idea, at last.

You make up pure nonsense rarher than EVER admitting the truth.


Silly, silly man.

http://www.themaninthesynagogue.org T.B. Joshua claims to cure
AIDS/HIV

http://bennier.tripod.com/nigeria/report.htm
Bennie Rothmann said he went to see T.B. Joshua and seen 50 people
being cured of AIDS and says its NOT A HOAX.

http://familyfed.org Rev.Moon claims to be the second coming of the
messiah and thousands of religious leaders and some politicians have
accepted him as the Messiah,but wath out because thousands of people
have been lied to decieved and mislead by moonies and its all true if
you go to http://www.rickross.com and yahoo you can find all the
FACTS.

Gordon Muir.

"PaulKing" <aimulti@aimultimedia.com> wrote in message news:<02738c0166f04c62177736d006e8c5d2@localhost.t alkabouthealthnetwork.com>...

In article <60c6235315fdebc0585ee235cfbfe8ba@localhost.talkab outhealthnetwork.com>,
PaulKing <aimulti@aimultimedia.com> wrote:
Progression from HIV to AIDS takes years. Anybody with a non-hostile
reason to be in this group is likely to have HIV or know people with
HIV, and know this from experience or first-hand testimony.

What's interesting is how little you care about the obviousness of
your lies. You are not here to support AIDS dissidency. Telling such
obvious lies in support of the dissident position discredits that
position. And you seem to *want* to be caught lying.

--
David Canzi "Do not let superstition inhibit your actions."
-- Jeane Dixon, horoscope for Virgo, May 17, 1990.

"PaulKing" <aimulti@aimultimedia.com> wrote in message
news:60c6235315fdebc0585ee235cfbfe8ba@localhost.ta lkabouthealthnetwork.com...
Yes you are a "Silly, silly man" you prove what I said in my original post
about your false confusion over the difference between HIV and AIDS yet
again with this post, do you ever stop lying?

As for what you say above you are wrong yet again the CDC stats on AIDS
cases are based on State Departments of Public Health reporting AIDS
diagnosis in there respective states. Now yes some of these cases are based
on CD4 counts >200 but the vast majority of them are based on symptomatic
AIDS not just low CD4 counts.

Testing for HIV has nothing to do with an AIDS diagnosis other then the
simple fact that HIV must be present for AIDS to developed by definition and
fact. So your question about waiting to be tested is totally absurd on it's
face.

Again it is you who make up pure nonsense in every post to make to MHA.

Gary Stein

David you stupid idiot,


These CDC figures are based on 'HIV' test results NOT full blown AIDS.

You know that., How dare you call be a lier when YOU are trying to distort
the facts.

YOU ARE THE LIER AND FOOL

Nonsense. The CDC figures are based on test results reported to them not
CD4 counts.

You make up any nonsense to cover up the truth.

What is this new BS?

THE PROOF YOU ARE LYING

Appendix: Revised Surveillance Case Definition for HIV Infection*


This revised definition of HIV infection, which applies to any HIV (e.g.,
HIV-1 or HIV-2), is intended for public health surveillance only. It
incorporates the reporting criteria for HIV infection and AIDS into a
single case definition. The revised criteria for HIV infection update the
definition of HIV infection implemented in 1993 (18); the revised HIV
criteria apply to AIDS-defining conditions for adults (18) and children
(17,19), which require laboratory evidence of HIV. This definition is not
presented as a guide to clinical diagnosis or for other uses (17,18).

I. In adults, adolescents, or children aged greater than or equal to 18
months**, a reportable case of HIV infection must meet at least one of the
following criteria:

Laboratory Criteria

*

* Positive result on a screening test for HIV antibody (e.g., repeatedly
reactive enzyme immunoassay), followed by a positive result on a
confirmatory (sensitive and more specific) test for HIV antibody (e.g.,
Western blot or immunofluorescence antibody test)

or
* Positive result or report of a detectable quantity on any of the
following HIV virologic (nonantibody) tests:
* HIV nucleic acid (DNA or RNA) detection (e.g., DNA polymerase chain
reaction [PCR] or plasma HIV-1 RNA)***
* HIV p24 antigen test, including neutralization assay
* HIV isolation (viral culture)




OR

Clinical or Other Criteria (if the above laboratory criteria are not met)

*

* Diagnosis of HIV infection, based on the laboratory criteria above, that
is documented in a medical record by a physician

or
* Conditions that meet criteria included in the case definition for AIDS
(17-19)


*

II. In a child aged less than 18 months, a reportable case of HIV
infection must meet at least one of the following criteria:

Laboratory Criteria

Definitive

*
* Positive results on two separate specimens (excluding cord blood) using
one or more of the following HIV virologic (nonantibody) tests:
* HIV nucleic acid (DNA or RNA) detection
* HIV p24 antigen test, including neutralization assay, in a child greater
than or equal to 1 month of age
* HIV isolation (viral culture)




or

Presumptive

A child who does not meet the criteria for definitive HIV infection but
who has:

*
* Positive results on only one specimen (excluding cord blood) using the
above HIV virologic tests and no subsequent negative HIV virologic or
negative HIV antibody tests


OR

Clinical or Other Criteria (if the above definitive or presumptive
laboratory criteria are not met)

*

* Diagnosis of HIV infection, based on the laboratory criteria above, that
is documented in a medical record by a physician

or
* Conditions that meet criteria included in the 1987 pediatric
surveillance case definition for AIDS (17,19)


*

III. A child aged less than 18 months born to an HIV-infected mother will
be categorized for surveillance purposes as "not infected with HIV" if the
child does not meet the criteria for HIV infection but meets the following
criteria:

Laboratory Criteria

Definitive

*
* At least two negative HIV antibody tests from separate specimens
obtained at greater than or equal to 6 months of age

or
* At least two negative HIV virologic tests* from separate specimens, both
of which were performed at greater than or equal to 1 month of age and one
of which was performed at greater than or equal to 4 months of age


AND

No other laboratory or clinical evidence of HIV infection (i.e., has not
had any positive virologic tests, if performed, and has not had an
AIDS-defining condition)

or

Presumptive

A child who does not meet the above criteria for definitive "not infected"
status but who has:

*
* One negative EIA HIV antibody test performed at greater than or equal to
6 months of age and NO positive HIV virologic tests, if performed

or
* One negative HIV virologic test* performed at greater than or equal to 4
months of age and NO positive HIV virologic tests, if performed

or
* One positive HIV virologic test with at least two subsequent negative
virologic tests****, at least one of which is at greater than or equal to
4 months of age; or negative HIV antibody test results, at least one of
which is at greater than or equal to 6 months of age


AND

No other laboratory or clinical evidence of HIV infection (i.e., has not
had any positive virologic tests, if performed, and has not had an
AIDS-defining condition).

OR

Clinical or Other Criteria (if the above definitive or presumptive
laboratory criteria are not met)

*

* Determined by a physician to be "not infected", and a physician has
noted the results of the preceding HIV diagnostic tests in the medical
record


AND

NO other laboratory or clinical evidence of HIV infection (i.e., has not
had any positive virologic tests, if performed, and has not had an
AIDS-defining condition)

*

IV. A child aged less than 18 months born to an HIV-infected mother will
be categorized as having perinatal exposure to HIV infection if the child
does not meet the criteria for HIV infection (II) or the criteria for "not
infected with HIV" (III).


* Draft revised surveillance criteria for HIV infection were approved and
recommended by the membership of the Council of State and Territorial
Epidemiologists (CSTE) at the 1998 annual meeting (11). Draft versions of
these criteria were previously reviewed by state HIV/AIDS surveillance
staffs, CDC, CSTE, and laboratory experts. In addition, the pediatric
criteria were reviewed by an expert panel of consultants. [External
Pediatric Consultants: C. Hanson, M. Kaiser, S. Paul, G. Scott, and P.
Thomas. CDC staff: J. Bertolli, K. Dominguez, M. Kalish, M.L. Lindegren,
M. Rogers, C. Schable, R.J. Simonds, and J. Ward]

** Children aged greater than or equal to 18 months but less than 13 years
are categorized as "not infected with HIV" if they meet the criteria in
III.

*** In adults, adolescents, and children infected by other than perinatal
exposure, plasma viral RNA nucleic acid tests should NOT be used in lieu
of licensed HIV screening tests (e.g., repeatedly reactive enzyme
immunoassay). In addition, a negative (i.e., undetectable) plasma HIV-1
RNA test result does not rule out the diagnosis of HIV infection.

**** HIV nucleic acid (DNA or RNA) detection tests are the virologic
methods of choice to exclude infection in children aged less than 18
months. Although HIV culture can be used for this purpose, it is more
complex and expensive to perform and is less well standardized than
nucleic acid detection tests. The use of p24 antigen testing to exclude
infection in children aged less than 18 months is not recommended because
of its lack of sensitivity.

Disclaimer * All MMWR HTML versions of articles are electronic conversions
from ASCII text into HTML. This conversion may have resulted in character
translation or format errors in the HTML version. Users should not rely on
this HTML document, but are referred to the electronic PDF version and/or
the original MMWR paper copy for the official text, figures, and tables.
An original paper copy of this issue can be obtained from the
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"

Progression from HIV to AIDS takes years. Anybody with a non-hostile
reason to be in this group is likely to have HIV or know people with
HIV, and know this from experience or first-hand testimony.

What's interesting is how little you care about the obviousness of
your lies. You are not here to support AIDS dissidency. Telling such
obvious lies in support of the dissident position discredits that
position. And you seem to *want* to be caught lying.

--
David Canzi "Do not let superstition inhibit your actions."
-- Jeane Dixon, horoscope for Virgo, May 17, 1990."



APOLOGISE - YOU HAVE BEEN CAUGHT LYING DAVID.

I DEMAND YOU APOLOGISE

_____

This revised definition of HIV infection, which applies to any HIV (e.g.,
HIV-1 or HIV-2), is intended for public health surveillance only. It
incorporates the reporting criteria for HIV infection and AIDS into a
single case definition. The revised criteria for HIV infection update the
definition of HIV infection implemented in 1993 (18); the revised HIV
criteria apply to AIDS-defining conditions for adults (18) and children
(17,19), which require laboratory evidence of HIV. This definition is not
presented as a guide to clinical diagnosis or for other uses (17,18).

I. In adults, adolescents, or children aged greater than or equal to 18
months**, a reportable case of HIV infection must meet at least one of the
following criteria:

Laboratory Criteria

*

* Positive result on a screening test for HIV antibody (e.g., repeatedly
reactive enzyme immunoassay), followed by a positive result on a
confirmatory (sensitive and more specific) test for HIV antibody (e.g.,
Western blot or immunofluorescence antibody test)

or
* Positive result or report of a detectable quantity on any of the
following HIV virologic (nonantibody) tests:
* HIV nucleic acid (DNA or RNA) detection (e.g., DNA polymerase chain
reaction [PCR] or plasma HIV-1 RNA)***
* HIV p24 antigen test, including neutralization assay
* HIV isolation (viral culture)




OR

Clinical or Other Criteria (if the above laboratory criteria are not met)

*

* Diagnosis of HIV infection, based on the laboratory criteria above, that
is documented in a medical record by a physician

or
* Conditions that meet criteria included in the case definition for AIDS
(17-19)


*

II. In a child aged less than 18 months, a reportable case of HIV
infection must meet at least one of the following criteria:

Laboratory Criteria

Definitive

*
* Positive results on two separate specimens (excluding cord blood) using
one or more of the following HIV virologic (nonantibody) tests:
* HIV nucleic acid (DNA or RNA) detection
* HIV p24 antigen test, including neutralization assay, in a child greater
than or equal to 1 month of age
* HIV isolation (viral culture)




or

Presumptive

A child who does not meet the criteria for definitive HIV infection but
who has:

*
* Positive results on only one specimen (excluding cord blood) using the
above HIV virologic tests and no subsequent negative HIV virologic or
negative HIV antibody tests


OR

Clinical or Other Criteria (if the above definitive or presumptive
laboratory criteria are not met)

*

* Diagnosis of HIV infection, based on the laboratory criteria above, that
is documented in a medical record by a physician

or
* Conditions that meet criteria included in the 1987 pediatric
surveillance case definition for AIDS (17,19)


*

III. A child aged less than 18 months born to an HIV-infected mother will
be categorized for surveillance purposes as "not infected with HIV" if the
child does not meet the criteria for HIV infection but meets the following
criteria:

Laboratory Criteria

Definitive

*
* At least two negative HIV antibody tests from separate specimens
obtained at greater than or equal to 6 months of age

or
* At least two negative HIV virologic tests* from separate specimens, both
of which were performed at greater than or equal to 1 month of age and one
of which was performed at greater than or equal to 4 months of age


AND

No other laboratory or clinical evidence of HIV infection (i.e., has not
had any positive virologic tests, if performed, and has not had an
AIDS-defining condition)

or

Presumptive

A child who does not meet the above criteria for definitive "not infected"
status but who has:

*
* One negative EIA HIV antibody test performed at greater than or equal to
6 months of age and NO positive HIV virologic tests, if performed

or
* One negative HIV virologic test* performed at greater than or equal to 4
months of age and NO positive HIV virologic tests, if performed

or
* One positive HIV virologic test with at least two subsequent negative
virologic tests****, at least one of which is at greater than or equal to
4 months of age; or negative HIV antibody test results, at least one of
which is at greater than or equal to 6 months of age


AND

No other laboratory or clinical evidence of HIV infection (i.e., has not
had any positive virologic tests, if performed, and has not had an
AIDS-defining condition).

OR

Clinical or Other Criteria (if the above definitive or presumptive
laboratory criteria are not met)

*

* Determined by a physician to be "not infected", and a physician has
noted the results of the preceding HIV diagnostic tests in the medical
record


AND

NO other laboratory or clinical evidence of HIV infection (i.e., has not
had any positive virologic tests, if performed, and has not had an
AIDS-defining condition)

*

IV. A child aged less than 18 months born to an HIV-infected mother will
be categorized as having perinatal exposure to HIV infection if the child
does not meet the criteria for HIV infection (II) or the criteria for "not
infected with HIV" (III).


* Draft revised surveillance criteria for HIV infection were approved and
recommended by the membership of the Council of State and Territorial
Epidemiologists (CSTE) at the 1998 annual meeting (11). Draft versions of
these criteria were previously reviewed by state HIV/AIDS surveillance
staffs, CDC, CSTE, and laboratory experts. In addition, the pediatric
criteria were reviewed by an expert panel of consultants. [External
Pediatric Consultants: C. Hanson, M. Kaiser, S. Paul, G. Scott, and P.
Thomas. CDC staff: J. Bertolli, K. Dominguez, M. Kalish, M.L. Lindegren,
M. Rogers, C. Schable, R.J. Simonds, and J. Ward]

** Children aged greater than or equal to 18 months but less than 13 years
are categorized as "not infected with HIV" if they meet the criteria in
III.

*** In adults, adolescents, and children infected by other than perinatal
exposure, plasma viral RNA nucleic acid tests should NOT be used in lieu
of licensed HIV screening tests (e.g., repeatedly reactive enzyme
immunoassay). In addition, a negative (i.e., undetectable) plasma HIV-1
RNA test result does not rule out the diagnosis of HIV infection.

**** HIV nucleic acid (DNA or RNA) detection tests are the virologic
methods of choice to exclude infection in children aged less than 18
months. Although HIV culture can be used for this purpose, it is more
complex and expensive to perform and is less well standardized than
nucleic acid detection tests. The use of p24 antigen testing to exclude
infection in children aged less than 18 months is not recommended because
of its lack of sensitivity.

Disclaimer * All MMWR HTML versions of articles are electronic conversions
from ASCII text into HTML. This conversion may have resulted in character
translation or format errors in the HTML version. Users should not rely on
this HTML document, but are referred to the electronic PDF version and/or
the original MMWR paper copy for the official text, figures, and tables.
An original paper copy of this issue can be obtained from the
Superintendent of Documents, U.S. Government Printing Office (GPO),
Washington, DC 20402-9371; telephone: (202) 512-1800. Contact GPO for
current prices.
**Questions or messages regarding errors in formatting should be addressed
to mmwrq@cdc.gov.



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Reported new HIV cases are based on tests, reported AIDS cases are based
AIDS diagnosis made by Doctors. What about those simple facts do you not
understand dimwit?

Gary Stein

"PaulKing" <aimulti@aimultimedia.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:58:06 GMT, "Gary Stein" <ge.stein@verizon.net>
wrote:

Oh, he's not so dimwitted. All SORTS of information has been pointed
out to him that show how wrong his interpretations of data are. What
happens? He blithely ignores them. Then he gets support from Mr. Shaw
who similarly enjoys distorting facts and supporting fools.

George M. Carter

You are the fool who refuses to do the maths, check the sources or admit we
have proved our point again and again.

You are a fanatic who sees 'AIDS' as a religion.

Poor soul.