Death wrote (quoting article)...
People should panic. There are some countries that are so corrupt that it
is conceivable that new, sterile blood withdrawal needles would be stolen
and sold for their scrap metal value and replaced with used needles. I
doubt that's the case, even in Mexico I never witnessed corruption that
bad, so it probably is incompetent government regulation.


I mentioned in another thread the common practice of attempting to sterilize
disposable medical equipment to save money. Dialysis machines are a very
tempting target because of all the plastic tubes and expensive membrane
filters. Corruption may not be to blame, a clinic with a thousand patients
and a hundred dollar budget is forced to cut corners, but in this case the
cost-cutting has crossed the line into criminal negligence.



I didn't see it, but was Peru one of the countries featured in that latest
Michael Moore film? Peruvians get both dialysis and AIDS treatment for
free, so progressive!

"Element 115" <ufo@cometcult.org> wrote in message
http://www.globalpolicy.org/nations/...3/0108peru.htm

The better way to think of it is that he/she is a panic. There is
some entertainment value at least.

Death wrote..., On 09/14/2007 15:31:
"While the survey studied small-scale graft, it is difficult to separate
the strands of corruption in Peru. One conclusion of a Proética
evaluation of the anti-corruption campaign in the two years since the
fall of the Fujimori government concluded that greater transparency in
public administration, as well as a merit-based civil service system,
are needed to combat large-scale corruption. Such measures could also
reduce everyday bribery. Some changes have already been made, while
other reforms are before Congress..."

Blah blah blah, it sounds exactly like the babble I've heard out of Mexico
for the last few decades. I even have a video of the former president of
Mexico bragging about how his administration had eliminated corruption at
the higher levels of government, all while he and his brother and their
political cronies were on the payroll of drug cartels.

I've also learned something of the psychology behind such systemic corruption,
and that is that when you live in a system that is so thoroughly corrupted
beyond all repair, that you really have no choice but to participate in it.
You learn that if you stand up for principle and refuse a bribe, your co-
worker or boss will accept the bribe instead. Taking $10 to let someone
avoid a $100 fine doesn't matter, because the $100 fine would simply be
stolen by the police chief or the judge. In some parts of Mexico police
officers pull over innocent drivers for minor shakedowns not out of greed,
but because no money for gasoline for their patrol cars is provided and that
is the only way to fund highway patrolling.

"Element 115" <ufo@cometcult.org> wrote in message


So far, 11,000 out of 580,400 soldiers that served in Gulf War I died and
56 percent have permanent medical problems due to exposure to depleted
uranium. They are suffering from kidney dysfunction, lung damage, joint
pain, memory loss, rashes, and cancer.

Their problems began when President Bush added depleted uranium to our
ammunition to make it explode faster, according to Gulf War I veterans.
Veterans of both Persian Gulf wars now on disability total 518,739.

People of the world, I ask that you help spread the word and put an end to
this insanity. The U.S. is the only nation that has used nuclear weapons.
Even Saddam Hussein wouldn't do this to his people. I believe our president
and anyone else involved in the use of depleted uranium in military
explosives should be put on trial for murder.


www.gulfwarvets.com/du_deathtoll.htm
www.barremore.net/depleted-uranium-kills.html
http://www.corruptioninamerica.com

In article <YJSGi.93523$jH3.8153@bignews6.bellsouth.net>, Death@yourdoor.net says...
This has nothing to do with depleted uranium, whose radiation is very
weak, posing no danger to those who were exposed to it in the course
of this vile aggression.

It obviously has to do with certain vaccinations which the US troops got,
but not the French ones - who therefore stayed healthy.

scare people of very low-dose, actually benificial, radiation too and
thus scare them of peaceful nuclear energy. One of the dirty tricks of
the US imperialists themselves, in which they're using certain muppets
of theirs.

For some details, see my homepage.

Rolf M.
www.rolf-martens.com

"Rolf Martens" <rolf.martens@comhem.se> wrote in message

In article <cxwHi.46481$wN3.43984@bignews2.bellsouth.net>, Death@yourdoor.net says...

Only some people with very vidid imagination, or very ignorant peple could
believe that the very weak, in fact beneficial, radiation from "spent" DU
could ever cause any birth defects.

A couple of websites on low-dose radiation (which the DU one certainly is):

http://www.angelfire.com/mo/radioada...jcameron1.html
(Iran-based, with articles by scientists in many countries)

T.D. Luckey on beneficial effects of
low-dose ionizing radiation
http://www.giriweb.com/luckey.htm

See also my homepage.

Rolf M.
www.rolf-martens.com

"Rolf Martens" <rolf.martens@comhem.se> wrote in message

Death@yourdoor.net says...

In article <8MzHi.62556$t9.12936@bignews7.bellsouth.net>, Death@yourdoor.net says...
source also concerning such things, people should know.

Not only is it continuing, very loudly, to propangandize the infamous big
"HIV"/"AIDS" hoax. It also tried on the massive "bird flu" terror hoax attempt
in 2005-2006. (On this too, see my homepage.) It's staffed and controlled
to a large degree by persons educated at the US imperialists' military organ
the EIS (Epidemic Intelligence Service), a kind of "CIA in medicine":

On the actual effects of such low-dose radioation as can emerge from
depleted uranium, see the websites I pointed to last time.

Rolf M.
www.rolf-martens.com

"Rolf Martens" <rolf.martens@comhem.se> wrote in message
You did mention something about medical grade *radiation
however we are talking about weapons grade.
Have you noticed with an x-ray, the tech always
runs away till it is completed?

If the WHO is not satisfactory try this:

American professor of nuclear medecine Asaf Durakovic speaks at a Paris
conference of Association of Nuclear Medecine

Published on Tuesday, September 12, 2000 in the Toronto Globe & Mail
It's Time For Answers
Evidence is mounting that allied soldiers may have been fighting more than
Saddam Hussein

by Scott Taylor

For the past 10 years the medical staff at the Basra Pediatric Hospital
have compiled a very disturbing photographic record, which catalogues
thousands of patients born with "congenital anomalies." Due to its
strategic location -- just north of Kuwait -- Basra was one of the most
heavily targeted Iraqi cities during the Coalition Forces' aerial
bombardments of the Gulf War.
In the decade since Operation Desert Storm, the lethal legacy of that
conflict continues unabated in the form of widespread cancer, an epidemic
of renal disease and a tremendous increase in genetic birth defects. The
collection of photos which line the walls of the Basra Hospital "memorial
gallery" are horrific: grotesque babies born with two heads; tiny infants
with internal organs protruding through their chest cavities; numerous
limbless children; and an alarming number of newborns who reached full term
without developing any skin.


American professor of nuclear medecine Asaf Durakovic speaks at a Paris
conference of Association of Nuclear Medecine pointing out that, accordind
to his findings, depleted uranium is the main cause of the Gulf syndrome
September 3, 2000. Durakovic said "that tens of thousands of British and
American soldiers are dying from radiation from depleted uranium shells
fired during the Gulf war. REUTERS/Jean-Christophe Kahn

"To find similar congenital anomalies we have had to research the
radioactive aftermaths of Hiroshima and Nagasaki," said Dr. Khalid
Al-Abidi, Iraq's Deputy Minister of Health when I interviewed him in
August.

Iraqi doctors are firmly convinced that many of their populace's current
health woes stem from the U.S. military's use of depleted uranium munitions
during Desert Storm. The results of a 1999 World Health Organization
initial probe into the health risks posed by depleted uranium in Iraq
concluded that full-scale study was warranted. To date such an initiative
has been blocked by the U.S. government.

Ever since tens of thousands of Coalition troops returned from service in
the Persian Gulf and began complaining of various illnesses, U.S., British
and Canadian military medical authorities have vehemently denounced the
existence of a Gulf War Syndrome. There can be no denying that a tremendous
proportion of these veterans are suffering from "symptoms," such as chronic
fatigue, respiratory disease and chronic dysfunction. Numerous official
studies conducted to date have examined possible links between such health
problems and Gulf War veterans' exposure to various vaccines, poison gas
and depleted uranium. All have tabled results deemed to be "inconclusive."

Despite claims by military medical officials that these studies represent
"exhaustive" research, this is not the case. Virtually all of the testing
done in these studies has been conducted under the auspices of the Pentagon
and British Ministry of Defence, through their departments of Veterans
Affairs. So far the Canadian government has not funded any separate
research, but instead relies on the U.S. and British results.

Many of those veterans who are suffering from Gulf War "symptoms" feel that
any such probe should not be conducted by those who would be the most
implicated by a positive result.

In the latest inconclusive study results tabled on Sept. 8 by the National
Academy of Sciences, the accompanying data revealed that the majority of
those examined weren't even Gulf War veterans.

In contrast to official results, independent research laboratories have
turned up some startling evidence. Following the April, 1999, death of
Canadian Gulf War veteran Terry Riordan, his widow had the body tested by
the Uranium Metal Project -- a private research initiative. In February of
this year, it was confirmed that Mr. Riordan's tissue, hair and bones
contained levels of isotope 236 -- weapons-grade depleted uranium.

Two weeks ago, Dr. Asaf Durakovic, the head of the Uranium Metal Project
(and a former U.S. army colonel), tabled some preliminary findings at the
European Association of Nuclear Medicine. Dr. Durakovic's team of Canadian
and American scientists had tested 17 Gulf War veterans and detected
disturbing amounts of depleted uranium in more than 70 per cent of their
case studies. These statistics run in stark contrast to urine testing which
was conducted this past spring by the Canadian military's medical branch.

In February, 2000, in response to public pressure following the startling
revelations of Terry Riordan's toxic results, Defence Minister Art Eggleton
established a forces-wide program to test Gulf War veterans. Some 69
soldiers volunteered to provide samples, which were then tested at two
"government approved" labs.

"The 'inconclusive' results of these tests were a foregone conclusion,"
according to Louise Richard, a former Canadian Navy lieutenant who has been
suffering from a wide range of debilitating ailments (tuberculosis,
incontinence, hair loss, etc.) ever since serving as a field nurse during
Desert Storm. "All you had to do was to read the official disclaimer which
accompanied each of the test kits," she told me.

Those instructions read in part "Based on a careful review of all known
science concerning depleted uranium, there is essentially no chance that
depleted uranium is [affecting] the health of Canadian Forces members who
served in the Gulf." It was subsequently announced by Col. Ken Scott, the
individual responsible for the depleted uranium testing, that the levels of
uranium detected were so low he deemed further testing "unnecessary."

In response to Col. Scott's claims that these service members had lower
levels of depleted uranium than the general population, Dr. Durakovic urged
Canadian veterans to seek additional testing at "independent" laboratories.
Dr. Durakovic denounced Col. Scott's statement as being "total and complete
nonsense."

In a sternly worded Sept. 9 letter to the Fredericton Daily Gleaner, Col.
Scott asked the rhetorical question: "Canadians served in Saudi Arabia,
Bahrain, Qatar and with the Naval blockade in Sector Charlie of the Gulf.
Canadians returned home within a few weeks of the end of hostilities. If
depleted uranium was a factor in their illnesses, why are civilians who
live in these countries not similarly unwell?"

Of course Col. Scott is aware that these civilians, unlike our service
members, did not deploy into, nor did they fly over, the bomb-impacted
areas. Most interesting is the fact that Col. Scott, along with his U.S.
counterparts, consistently fails to mention the impact the bombardment has
had on Iraqi citizens. How can anyone proclaim an examination of Gulf War
Syndrome to be exhaustive -- without a single test being conducted at
Ground Zero?

If the Canadian government is to be seen as serious in its claims of
concern for the health and welfare of these ailing soldiers, it must
establish an independent, scientific, medical commission. Rather than
continuing to rely upon "inconclusive results" from our allies who employ
these depleted uranium munitions, perhaps it is time for Canada to take a
leading role in studying the deadly effects of such weapons.

Scott Taylor is the editor of Esprit de Corps Magazine. He has just
returned from two weeks in Iraq.

Copyright © 2000 Globe Interactive

###

In article <IPIHi.47073$wN3.25215@bignews2.bellsouth.net>, Death@yourdoor.net says...
This is utter nonsense. Not even in the progeny of survivors of the
Hiroshima bomb in 1945 were any birth defects found after 50 years.

Had it been true that the very weak DU radiation could cause such
birth defects, then obviously, all those millions of people who
live in areas with not only tens of times but hundreds of times
the mean global background radiation (of 2.4 mSv/year) would have had
lots and lots of birth defects. In reality, their health is better
than average.

This idiocy can only convince utterly ignorant persons.

Certainly not. These problems come from certain vaccinations. The
unvaccinated French troops had none of them.
Fantastic fraud.



In all of this stuff, never once are amounts of radiation mentioned.
They are in all the cases with DU *very* small.

Rolf M.

So far, 11,000 out of 580,400 soldiers that served in Gulf War I died
and
56 percent have permanent medical problems due to exposure to
depleted
uranium. They are suffering from kidney dysfunction, lung damage,
joint
pain, memory loss, rashes, and cancer.


Their problems began when President Bush added depleted uranium to
our
ammunition to make it explode faster, according to Gulf War I
veterans.
Veterans of both Persian Gulf wars now on disability total 518,739.

This is pure BS .. Bush never added DU to our ammunition to make it
explode faster -- DU does not make ammunition explode faster .. it is
used in anti-tank kinetic energy penetrators .. the term penetrator is
used because that is what it does - penetrate .. it is not an
explosive so it is not a shell .. it was very effective at destroying
enemy tanks. It was developed in the 70's -- back when Georgie Porgie
was probably drunk!, not on his watch at all and it was first used by
his father George Bush Sr because he was the first to encounter a
threat that consisted of a large number of enemy tanks .. it was
developed to counter the Soviet Bloc, which had thousands of tanks
poised on the German border and was expected to sweep across it in
World War III. Thankfully, there never was a WW-III and before Desert
Storm, the tank buster aircraft A-10 Warthog was expected to retire!
Most of them had already been put out to pasture in Arizona. Then
they found it worked as advertised.

The number of veterans on disability is probably exagerated. It may
be the number of veterans who have made a claim; I have no idea where
this number comes from, but a claim could be as little as having your
wisdom teeth pulled.

The opening statement is categorically false .. it comes from lies
from a Korean War veteran who hates the VA picked up by an activist
who claims he is a actually a journalist, but who never actually has
written for anyone before starting to write bad science fiction to
peddle the anti-DU crusade ..

So far, 11,000 out of 580,400 soldiers that served in Gulf War I died
and
56 percent have permanent medical problems due to exposure to
depleted
uranium. They are suffering from kidney dysfunction, lung damage,
joint
pain, memory loss, rashes, and cancer.

None of this happened .. when you ask them to name the 11,000, they
can not name a one, let alone 11,000 and if you check the records, you
will probably find that even counting those who died of old age, that
11,000 Gulf War veterans may not have died from any cause .. though 16
years and a million veterans .. you probably have more than 11,000
deaths, but not a single one due to DU.

Roger Helbig
rwhelbig at gee mail dot com
DUStory at Yahoo Groups .. facts about DU from a concerned veteran

"Rhotel1" <rwhelbig@gmail.com> wrote in message
http://www.iacenter.org/depleted/mettoc.htm