Starvation And Malnutrition Linked to HIV/AIDS

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What do you think?

No link whatsoever. "AIDS" is malnutrition in many parts of the world,
perhaps ehanced by environmental toxins, etc. If "HIV" did exist, it
would have been detected in somebody by now.

On 17 Nov 2006 19:58:00 -0800, monty1945@lycos.com wrote:

No, it isn't.

If you have evidence to support the claim, by all means share it.

But malnutrition, while horrific in its own right, doesn't cause CD4
counts to plummet to zero.

George M. Carter

<monty1945@lycos.com>

Malnutrition is the condition that develops when the body does not get the right amount of the
vitamins , minerals , and other nutrients it needs to maintain healthy tissues and organ
function.

If you statement were correct, every person with an un-healthy diet
would have aids, and people with a healthy diet would not have aids.

Malnutrition, in and of its-self is devastating but to say it causes aids
is a stretch of any-ones imagination at best.

http://barnesworld.blogs.com/barnes_...r_culshaw.html

November 17, 2006
Dear Dr. Culshaw: What is PEM, and How Does It Concern HIV, AIDS and Africa?

Hypatia_3 Last week, a curious article appeared from the Associated Press
entitled "Hunger Seen as Big Enemy in War on AIDS", from which I excerpt
the following gem:

"Starvation and malnutrition are fast becoming the twin perils of the AIDS fight,
and doctors and health experts say millions of infected people in the developing
world are rapidly approaching a tipping point where food will replace drugs as
the biggest need."

To AIDS rethinkers, this will certainly not come as revelation. Malnutrition - or
more precisely, under-nutrition - has long been recognized as the major cause
of immune deficiency in the world. This fact is known, yet minimized or ignored,
by the most prominent proponents of the HIV hypothesis. For example,
Harrison's Principles of Internal Medicine, edited by Dr. Anthony Fauci,
head of the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases, states:

007140235701_aa240_sclzzzzzzz__2 "...Protein energy malnutrition (PEM) occurs
primarily under two circumstances: in developing nations it may be present in endemic
form, and under famine conditions the prevalence may approach 25 percent... the
magnitude of the malnutrition problem worldwide is immense. In 1983 the World
Health Organization estimated that 300 million children had growth retardation
secondary to malnutrition. Gastrointestinal infections frequently precipate clinical
PEM because of the associated diarrhea, associated anorexia, vomiting, increased
metabolic needs, and decreased intestinal absorption. Parasitic infections play
a major role in many parts of the world. Cell-mediated immunity is impaired as
indicated by all standard tests." [italics mine]

However, the following excerpt from the Merck Manual indicates that nutritional
deficiency may well be a more significant causative agent for cellular immune
deficiency than the AIDS apologists would like us to think:

"Total lymphocyte count, which often decreases as undernutrition progresses,
may be determined. Undernutrition produces a marked decline in CD4+ T
lymphocytes, so this count is more useful in patients who do not have AIDS."

When looking through the distorted lens of HIV and AIDS, however, doctors
and scientists seldom consider malnutrition an independent cause of immune
suppression. Rather, malnutrition is swept under the rug of the "mysterious"
mechanisms of HIV. The following , which appeared recently on ScienceBlogs,
is typical of orthodox reductionism:

"Clean water and adequate nutrition may not help much in stopping the spread
of HIV, but they certainly would help fend off the secondary infections that result
in clinical AIDS. While I strongly disagree with the idea put forth by Bethell et al.
that the root cause of AIDS in Africa is really malnutrition, I don't think anyone
disagrees that having good nutrition keeps one generally healthier and increases
their ability to fend off a variety of diseases... Improved health care structures
would also help immensely."

Essentially, the mainstream considers malnutrition a "co-factor" for "HIV disease".
But is there any real evidence for that HIV is involved at all? The mechanisms
by which protein malnutrition cause immune suppression are intuitive and
well-understood, whereas understanding the pathogenesis of HIV "remains elusive"
despite 25 years and a biilion research dollars. Furthermore, the lack of adequate
sanitation and water are clearly a major cause of many of the continent's medical
emergencies.

It's way past time for the world, that's us, as well as the politicians and chronically
misled talk-show hosts, to wake up to reality - the notion of a sexually-transmitted
retrovirus causing an epidemic of immune deficiency in Africa is a racist construct.
It has no basis in reality, and is causing a medical disaster in the call for the mass
administration of "antiretrovirals" to the Third World -- a form of iatrogenic
genocide masquerading as philanthropy.
***

Culshaw_1_1 Rebecca V. Culshaw worked on mathematical models of HIV
infection for almost ten years. She received her Ph.D. in mathematics (with a
specialization in mathematical biology) from Dalhousie University in Canada in
2002 and is currently an assistant professor of mathematics at the University of
Texas at Tyler. She is a celebrated internet author as a result of her writings on
Lew Rockwell, and "Science Sold Out: Does HIV Really Cause AIDS?", a book
based on those essays is due next month. [The miniature at the top left is Hypatia
of Alexandria (370-415), famous as the first woman known to have made a
substantial contribution to the development of mathematics.]

"Alex" <avdeelen.REMOFETHIS1@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
That paragraph plainly states that already infected people will
also have to face starvation and mal-nut-rition at some point in time.


Another good paragraph, immune deficiency is a result of under-nutrition
leaving them more susceptible to dis-eases.

" Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> schreef in bericht news:Oq38h.7531$K9.5812@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
Presuming they are infected, i.e. properly diagnosed. Everyone
else just faces starvation.

But not HIV infection.

There is something else, namely the role malnutrition could play
in false positive test results. It could create all kinds of stresses
on the body that the test makers have never thought of.

Alex

"Alex" <avdeelen.REMOFETHIS1@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
To my limited knowledge, malnutrition does not
cause CD4 cells to drop to the 200 number or build anti-bodies
to stave off malnutrition.

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