On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 01:21:23 GMT, Orac <orac@wabcmail.com> wrote:

snip...'
LOL...I was being poetic!!

Say, are there any good maps/charts online of cell receptor, kinase
cascade activities. I've got some good ones from the mid 90s from
places like genzyme but would love some more up-to-date ones.
George

gmc0@ix.netcom.com (GMCarter) wrote:


We are discussing MAMMALS, not birds. They have an entirely
different digestive system ... including crop to hold food and
dispense it to the stomach biut by bit, a 2-segment stomach, with
the first section, the proventriculus, secreting all kinds of
digestive enzymes. The second section, the gizzard, is a seed
grinder.

http://ia.essortment.com/digestivesystem_riei.htm


Tsu

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are two equally convenient solutions; both
dispense with the necessity of reflection.
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On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 04:45:08 -0700, Tsu Dho Nimh
<tsudhonimh@lumbercartel.com> wrote:

snip...
Or unless the enzymes are administered in an enterically-coated
capsule to bypass and protect against stomach acid.

George M. Carter

GMCarter wrote:
See previous posts. Those enzymes are replacing pancreatic enzymes *in
the intestines*, not getting out of the digestive system into the
bloodstream.

Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

Although let's be careful and not say "not a molecule whatsoever gets
in". The person might have a cut in their mouth.....

Or have the problem know as Leaky guy where whole molecules go into the
blood stream from the gut to be attacked by the persons immune system
causing a type of inflam. arth.

Harv

Hi Nico -

rb isn't a sock - just a sour puss. does this sort thing regular.

Be Well

Paul

Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:

I don't see how a large amount of juice can't neutralise the acids in the
stomach and make it through into the bloodstream.
Anth

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In article <3ef8b5be$0$45185$65c69314@mercury.nildram.net>,
"Anth" <anon@anon.com> wrote:

Irrelevant. Even if enzymes make it past the stomach, they will not get
absorbed as whole enzymes into the bloodstream. The digestive enzymes in
the brush border of the proximal small intestine will break them down
into their constitutent peptides. It is these PEPTIDES that are
absorbed, not whole proteins or enzymes.
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"Anth" <anon@anon.com> schreef in bericht
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If you're talking about fruitjuice: most of them are acidic so I don't see
how that would help. But even so, say you would get the enzymes past the
protein splicing proteins in the stomach, and they reach the duodenum, there
are even more protein splicing proteins there. Say you get past them too.
Enzymes are simply too big to freely pass the intestinal mucosa. It won't
happen.


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Robert Bronsing

But that's okay, see the children bleed
It'll look great on the TV

Hi,
Is Nico really Julie? Well i'm really sorry for coming on so strong like
that. Nico/Julie.....i'm sorry, you did nothing to deserve what i said to
you. If i'm mad at others i shouldn't take it out on innocent bystanders
such as yourself. I beg your forgiveness.

Sincerely,
RB.
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gmc0@ix.netcom.com (GMCarter) wrote in message news:<3ef834d0.1044702@news.verizon.net>...
You forgot to rhyme

Robert Bronsing wrote:

Nowhere *near* as acid as your stomach, which can reach a pH of 1.0.
There are many reasons vomiting is bad for you, but exposing your
unprotected throat and mouth to that stuff is a major issue.

If you ever vomit, rinse your mouth with clean, preferably cool, water
as fast as you can tolerate it. It will help prevent damage and help
with that *nasty* aftertaste.....

rb wrote:

Great ghu, he/she/it has entered Mickey Martin land! (Reference to
nutjob from way, way back, who kept thinking my wife was me.)

Beg, baby, beg.....

In article <8z7Ka.14993$Kg7.11846@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>,
Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@verizon.net> wrote:

It's more than denatured. Long before, it's been broken down to its
constituent amino acids and absorbed into the brush border of the small
intestine.
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Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

"Nico Kadel-Garcia" <nkadel@verizon.net> schreef in bericht
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Even so, adding an acid, even a weak one, doesn't 'neutralize' another acid.



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Robert Bronsing

But that's okay, see the children bleed
It'll look great on the TV

Nico Kadel-Garcia <nkadel@verizon.net> wrote:

Yes, which is why people have to be careful if they are trying
the "suck the poison" treatment for a snake bite. The poison
(chock full of nasty proteolytic and neurotoxic enzymes)
theoretically could enter through a wound in the mouth and cause
some problems.

However, it's a protein and it's not lethal if ingested - it gets
digested.


Tsu

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To doubt everything or to believe everything
are two equally convenient solutions; both
dispense with the necessity of reflection.
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gmc0@ix.netcom.com (GMCarter) wrote:

For persons with KNOWN problems due to lack of them, yes. And
the pancreatic enzymes are active in the gut on the intestinal
contents. They aren't absorbed into the bloodstream.

Tsu

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To doubt everything or to believe everything
are two equally convenient solutions; both
dispense with the necessity of reflection.
- Jules Henri Poincaré

On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 13:08:01 GMT, Nico Kadel-Garcia
<nkadel@verizon.net> wrote:

No kidding. I wasn't arguing that. Though I think we should be
cautious about blanket statements--perhaps some peptides with
enzymatic activity get through--I wasn't arguing that point.

George M. Carter

"rb" <flagflye1@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Uh, no. I am not Nico. Apology accepted. I think...

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