"Hillbilly" <hilljack@backwoods.arpa> wrote in message...
I'm a gay male but have long spoken out against the uncontrolled
promiscuity of the gay community. My own brother has AIDS, a
direct result of his incessant buttfucking of random strangers
back in the early 1990s. It's like the learning curve of this
demographic group approaches zero. Despite 20 years of health
propaganda warning about HIV/AIDS and how it is transmitted, this
group doesn't seem to care. Several years ago I warned how the
new AIDS "cocktail" drug therapies would simply lead to a rapid
increase of new infections that are drug-resistant, and that has
since proven to be exactly what's happening. I.e. people who
have HIV and KNOW IT (because they are taking the AIDS drugs) are
having unprotected sex and infecting others. I guess they are
not satisfied simply spreading HIV, deciding to add syphilis as
well.

On Sun, 5 Oct 2003 23:59:08 -0500, "Poop Dogg" <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

LOL...since WHEN did you realize you were gay???

gmc0@ix.netcom.com (GMCarter) wrote in message news:<3f812d7d.1000298@news.verizon.net>...
OMG! Poop Dogg is gay? I'm going to have to wear a bag on my head
out of the shame of knowing that I have something in common with Poop
Dogg.

"GMCarter" <gmc0@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:3f812d7d.1000298@news.verizon.net...
Since around puberty, though I really didn't admit it to myself until
after high school. I mentioned this previously if you missed that
thread. Fortunately, I realized the danger and avoided getting sucked
into the gay lifestyle, the reason I am sitting here now alive and
healthy able to rant and rave to my heart's content. It would be so
nice to be in a relationship, but since just about every gay person
I've ever met has been infected I can't bring myself to trust anyone.
My brother was trusting and now he's rotting away.

Poop Dogg wrote:
Yes you did.

Now, now. Could be you're so obnoxious you couldn't get a date? <G>

B/

"Poop Dogg" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:K4udnUixEZHiLByiRTvUrg@bravo.net...
That age is thrown about in afff way too often.
At 12/13 years old my buddies and I worried about a new bike, a new baseball
glove, a new fishing pole,
getting home in time to watch Rawhide.
How is it faggots knew they wanted to be assfucked at 12 ?

On Mon, 6 Oct 2003 21:29:47 -0500, "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote:

Heck, I knew around 6!! Ass fucking is fun. You should try it
sometime! (Or maybe again) Just wear that rubber!

George M. Carter

***
Adams HE; Wright LW Jr; Lohr BA. Is homophobia associated with
homosexual arousal? J Abnorm Psychol 1996 Aug;105(3):440-445.

Department of Psychology, University of Georgia, Athens 30602-3013,
USA.

The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively
heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual
individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n =
35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to
groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W.
Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980). The men were exposed to sexually
explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual,
and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were
monitored. They also completed an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss
& M. Perry, 1992). Both groups exhibited increases in penile
circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only
the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male
homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression.
Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the
homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.

Faggot GMCarter <gmc0@ix.netcom.com> lisps:

[ ... ]

================================================== ====

Psychologists Show Homophobia To Be Driven By Disgust,
Not Fear

Sat, Jun 8, 2002

By Allison Hogge University Relations

================================================== ====

NEW ORLEANS -- Homophobia is not an actual phobia, according
to three University of Arkansas psychologists. In a recent
study, these researchers showed that homophobia originates
not out of fear or anxiety -- as true phobias do -- but from
feelings of disgust.

The UA researchers also found close associations between
homophobic tendencies and concerns about contamination as
well as conservative views about sexuality in general. Their
findings suggest a social, attitudinal basis for homophobia
rather than a psychopathological one, as the term itself
implies.

"If you can identify the underlying emotions of certain
attitudes and behaviors, you can better understand how those
attitudes formed," explained Bunmi Olatunji, a UA doctoral
student and lead author of the study. "That has implications
for treatment, but it also enables you to consider a
condition in the proper context. In this case, homophobia
shouldn't be pathologized."

With the help of various graduate students, Jeffrey Lohr, a
professor of psychology at the university, has spent the
past several years attempting to identify the emotional
mediators behind a variety of phobias, including fears about
blood injection or injury and spider or insect phobias.

The study on homophobia -- conducted by Olatunji and Suzanne
Meunier, a doctoral student -- represents the latest chapter
in that program of research. On Sunday, Olatunji will
present the findings of their study at a convention of the
American Psychological Society in New Orleans.

To assess the emotional constructs behind homophobia , the
UA researchers asked 138 participants to complete a series
of surveys. These included the Index of Attitudes toward
homosexuals, the Sexual Attitude Scale, the Disgust Emotion
Scale, the Padua Inventory -- which assesses contamination
obsessions -- and three questionnaires that measured levels
of fear and anxiety.

Statistical analysis of the results showed a negative
correlation between attitudes about homosexuals and measures
of fear or anxiety. However, results from the Index of
Attitudes toward homosexuals were positively correlated with
results from the Sexual Attitude Scale, the Disgust Emotion
Scale and the Padua Inventory. In other words, subjects who
showed homophobic tendencies on the Index also displayed
conservative sexual attitudes, elevated levels of disgust
and dread of contamination.

"We included the Padua Inventory because fear of
contamination clarifies the type of disgust that people are
feeling. Without information about contamination fears, you
could assume that homophobic people were just disgusted by
the abnormality of the homosexual lifestyle," Olatunji said.
"But this tells us there's a perception of contagion that
feeds into homophobia ."

The purpose of identifying such specific emotional
components is not just to quibble with use of the term "
homophobia " but to understand the origin and nature of the
condition. For example, fear and disgust tend to arise out
of different circumstances or contexts, and they manifest in
very different ways.

Fear causes immediate physiological arousal, leading to
elevated respiration and heart rate, and it inspires a
flight reaction. Disgust, however, triggers a bi-phasic
physiological reaction, with heart rate and respiration
initially rising but plummeting shortly thereafter. While
fear causes a "get me away from that" reaction, disgust
manifests as "get that away from me." These different
emotional reactions can lead to very different behaviors,
according to Lohr.

"The same emotions that mediate attitude can mediate
behavior," he said. "If fear mediates avoidance, other
emotions may mediate attack. That distinction becomes very
important when what a person intends to avoid or attack is
not an animal or an inanimate object, but another human
being."

Additionally, different emotional constructs require
different approaches to treatment. Clinical psychologists
often treat true phobias by forcing patients to confront
their fears. Flooding -- or prolonged, repeated exposure to
the feared stimulus -- can weaken the fear response and
allow people to practice controlling their reactions. But
such a procedure may not be effective in eliminating disgust
and, furthermore, would be inappropriate if the object of
that disgust is another person.

Lohr suspects that the type of disgust associated with
homophobia arises from social conditions rather than
psychological ones -- that it represents a prejudicial
attitude more akin to racism than to phobia. If that's the
case, any attempt to treat or reduce homophobia would have
to be conducted through a process of attitude reformation,
which could occur in a social context such as homes or
schools rather than in a clinical setting.

"If contempt and disgust drive homophobia , then it seems
more of a moral or social problem than a psychopathological
one," Lohr said. "If we start to consider negative attitudes
pathological -- implying that there's something medically
wrong with prejudiced people, that they're somehow sick with
their own attitudes -- that seems to me misguided."

On 7 Oct 2003 10:14:10 -0500, Hillbilly <hilljack@backwoods.arpa>
wrote:

Thanks for the article. Yes, a different perspective on the disease of
people who are afraid of or hate homosexuals. I don't think this in
any contradicts the findings that among some men, perhaps like you
Hilbilly?, the homophobia - or disgust arises from suppressed desire.

This is not an unreasonable position entirely, however, I think Lohr
would agree too that when a prejudicial attitude transforms into
violence--whether lynching for racists or fag-bashing for homophobes
(for lack of a better term), then clearly, THOSE people are deeply
sick. And criminal.

And oddly wind up in prison oftentimes, where they get to act out some
of their latent tendencies, whether they like it or not...perhaps they
grow to like it.

At least, as an avowed faggot, I know I like it and am happy with
that.

Good luck in your journey, Hilbily.

George M. Carter

"GMCarter" <gmc0@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message...
I wouldn't consider homophobia to be a disease. You sound like one
of the leftists the Unabomber warns about in his Manifesto, or even
The Party in George Orwell's "1984," both of whom wish to "cure"
people of unorthodox thought. I'm sure someone somewhere could
define practically the whole range of human thought and behavior
as a "mental disorder" needing to be cured. I personally hate both
black people and Christianity. Perhaps I need to be shipped off
to a re-education camp so I can be taught to think correctly.

---------------------------------------------------------
"The concept of 'mental health' in our society is defined
largely by the extent to which an individual behaves in
accord with the needs of the system and does so without
showing signs of stress."
-- The Unabomber Manifesto; Paragraph 119
---------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:31:38 -0500, "Poop Dogg" <nospam@nospam.com>
wrote:

LOL...no, that would be the people that want to "cure" people
attracted to the same gender. (Which, if it works, would be
encouraging to think one could "cure" people attracted to the opposite
gender!)

People can have views as they like, of course. However, when they try
to FORCE others--or cause harm or violence upon others (e.g.,
bullies), then they are committing acts of violence/hate that need to
be treated. Yes?

Your hate resides within you. It causes you undue suffering. I would
think personally you would want that suffering alleviated. That's your
option.

If, by contrast, you commit acts of violence, verbal, physical or
otherwise, upon Christians or blacks because of that hatred, you are
committing an act that may be criminal and certainly needs treatment.

Otherwise, you will simply go to your grave living in the cloud of
suffering that is generated by your hate. At least, tho, you recognize
the problem.

I wish you luck in your journey.
George M. Carter

Faggot GMCarter lisped:

You're welcome. I know of at least two other articles of
similar content that exist somewhere out there on the net
that say essentially the same thing this one does, except in
much more exquisite detail. I never saved them, although now
I wish I would have. If I ever run across them I'll be sure
to get them to you.

Huh? The article never referred to it as disease. It isn't a
"disease" to be repulsed by homosexual behavior any more
than it would be a "disease" to be repulsed by beastiality.
It's a very natural response. Odd that someone apparently
well versed in a legitimate disease like AIDS would refer to
it as such.

It's a shame you missed the entire point of the article.
Most people find homosexuality gross. It's just that simple.

I'd say it's a direct contradiction of that theory. It is
certainly very rare indeed for someone to be aroused by
something that genuinely disgusts them. Most folks find
beastiality disgusting too, and I don't think this evolves
from muzzled sexual desires towards animals. Per the logic
you espouse, the revulsion most people express towards scat
pornography is really stemmed in a secret, burning desire to
smear themselves in feces during sex.

Uh-huh.

[ ... ]

And I must give credit where credit is due: you're an
uncommonly polite avowed faggot. Faggot sophists who espouse
the "I'm queer, so are you" theory are usually pretty nasty,
especially when contradictory theories from their most
beloved sources (psychologists/psychiatrists) are presented.

--
================================================== ====

Psychologists Show Homophobia To Be Driven By Disgust,
Not Fear

Sat, Jun 8, 2002

By Allison Hogge University Relations

================================================== ====

NEW ORLEANS -- Homophobia is not an actual phobia, according
to three University of Arkansas psychologists. In a recent
study, these researchers showed that homophobia originates
not out of fear or anxiety -- as true phobias do -- but from
feelings of disgust.

Hillbilly <hilljack@backwoods.arpa> wrote in
news:slrnbogsls.9g2.hilljack@backwoods.arpa:

Dear hillbilly, look in a good dictionary for the definition of
*Homophobia* and you will see that the true definition actually
includes *disgust at* amongst many others such as *repulsion by*;
*adversion to*; as well at the old *fear of* and *hatred for* So
don't go around saying that *homophobia8 is not *homophobia*
because nobody fears homosexuals. You just make yourself look
stupid.

--
Bernard Hubbard
Australian, Gay, Green and Proud.

On 11 Oct 2003 16:17:19 -0500, Hillbilly <hilljack@backwoods.arpa>
wrote:

snip...>
LOL..of course it is a disease. Same sex love and sex are not the same
as having sex with an animal. That type of equation is just a
perverted bigotry, not unlike what Hitler and Himmler did with Jews by
comparing them to rats.

What is perfectly natural for many people is attraction to people of
the same gender.

It is usually a natural response in those with repressed desires, as
they Adams article notes. Therefore, it is a pathology rooted in
denial.

Not really--the ones that find it "gross" are usually, again, those
who have a repressed desire for it.

I mean, there are heterosexual couples the thought of whom having sex
is somewhat repellant to me. So maybe you mean it in that sense. This
just makes you and me a little silly about what turns two people on
that we, respectively, do not find attractive.

It may be!! Indeed, do you have such desires? Do you spend a lot of
time watching acts of bestiality? Does it arouse you? Or scat? Do you
find yourself hunting for it on the net, even though you are disgusted
by it?

But no, there are probably distinctions to make. What Adams found was
that the subset of individuals who get freaked out by gay sex were
aroused upon watching gay porn, whereas heterosexual men more
comfortable with their sexuality, had no such response.

Indeed, of course, people do see things that disgust them without
necessarily having any particular arousal effect. But that is not the
same as the revulsion coupled with hatred and anger that arises in
homophobic individuals who commit acts of violence (or harbor such
desires).

I think you should examine your own responses and see which category
you fall in.

Except that the data you provided are not contradictory to the data I
provided. Simply because the story suggests that they scratched the
surface and found that some people may be more simply culturally
adjusted to a sense of disgust. They note:

'"If you can identify the underlying emotions of certain attitudes
and behaviors, you can better understand how those attitudes formed,"
explained Olatunji. "That has implications for treatment, but it also
enables you to consider a condition in the proper context. In this
case, homophobia shouldn’t be pathologized." '

I think here they are saying two important things (though it would be
good to read the original article if any had been published). First,
that to a certain extent, there IS an underlying problem that can be
treated. They suggest that homophobia, per se, is not perhaps the best
(or only) characterization of the population they interviewed.

Further, as I indicated and you deleted, there is clearly a need for
treatment for the pathology of violence that arises in some
individuals when confronted with individuals who do not conform to
gender stereotypes. These are also commonly known as "sexists" or
"bigots" so other terms do exist. Ascribing the correct term to apply
to the diagnosis for such individuals is not always easy, but again,
the data you presented do not contradict the findings that some people
are suppressing their own homosexual tendencies who exhibit more
flagrant and violent attitudes of what has to date been referred to as
homophobia. Indeed, it is perhaps not the best term, but suffices for
the moment to describe what clearly can lead to a pathology:

'Distinguishing which emotions feed into conditions such as homophobia
may enable people to intervene before negative attitudes evolve into
negative behavior, said Lohr. "If fear mediates avoidance, other
emotions may mediate attack," he cautioned.'

Best of luck in your own journey of sexual discovery.

George M. Carter

Bernt out butt fucker <berndavey@iprimus.light.au.com> wrote in message news:<Xns941294C56FC0Abernard61hiprimus@203.134.67 .67>...


Only a died in the wool hard core career shit licking senile
homobastard would consider it odd that normal men and women would find
poking objects and dicks up arses a perverted and repulsive practice.

"William J. Wolfe" <w_j_wolfe@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bc2c3b4d.0310130403.6c772b92@posting.google.c om...

Poor bernie, just can't seem to get the hang of posting without fucking up.
I say homophobia8 is not homophobia, but then I'm not a shiteating faggot.
bernt, has 8 on the brain. Quit reading that nambla crap prof.

Faggot GMCarter lisped:

Like beastiality, most people find same-gender sexual
conduct repulsive. It's as simple as that. No amount of
denial or faggot sophistry can ever change that. The fact
that you can't even fathom that a person may find it gross
without being "diseased" proves you're just a crackpot and
completely incapable of objective discourse.

Science has yet to prove people are born homosexual.

[ ... ]

--
================================================== ====

Psychologists Show Homophobia To Be Driven By Disgust,
Not Fear

Sat, Jun 8, 2002

By Allison Hogge University Relations

================================================== ====

NEW ORLEANS -- Homophobia is not an actual phobia, according
to three University of Arkansas psychologists. In a recent
study, these researchers showed that homophobia originates
not out of fear or anxiety -- as true phobias do -- but from
feelings of disgust.

The UA researchers also found close associations between
homophobic tendencies and concerns about contamination as
well as conservative views about sexuality in general. Their
findings suggest a social, attitudinal basis for homophobia
rather than a psychopathological one, as the term itself
implies.

"If you can identify the underlying emotions of certain
attitudes and behaviors, you can better understand how those
attitudes formed," explained Bunmi Olatunji, a UA doctoral
student and lead author of the study. "That has implications
for treatment, but it also enables you to consider a
condition in the proper context. In this case, homophobia
shouldn't be pathologized."

With the help of various graduate students, Jeffrey Lohr, a
professor of psychology at the university, has spent the
past several years attempting to identify the emotional
mediators behind a variety of phobias, including fears about
blood injection or injury and spider or insect phobias.

The study on homophobia -- conducted by Olatunji and Suzanne
Meunier, a doctoral student -- represents the latest chapter
in that program of research. On Sunday, Olatunji will
present the findings of their study at a convention of the
American Psychological Society in New Orleans.

To assess the emotional constructs behind homophobia , the
UA researchers asked 138 participants to complete a series
of surveys. These included the Index of Attitudes toward
homosexuals, the Sexual Attitude Scale, the Disgust Emotion
Scale, the Padua Inventory -- which assesses contamination
obsessions -- and three questionnaires that measured levels
of fear and anxiety.

Statistical analysis of the results showed a negative
correlation between attitudes about homosexuals and measures
of fear or anxiety. However, results from the Index of
Attitudes toward homosexuals were positively correlated with
results from the Sexual Attitude Scale, the Disgust Emotion
Scale and the Padua Inventory. In other words, subjects who
showed homophobic tendencies on the Index also displayed
conservative sexual attitudes, elevated levels of disgust
and dread of contamination.

"We included the Padua Inventory because fear of
contamination clarifies the type of disgust that people are
feeling. Without information about contamination fears, you
could assume that homophobic people were just disgusted by
the abnormality of the homosexual lifestyle," Olatunji said.
"But this tells us there's a perception of contagion that
feeds into homophobia ."

The purpose of identifying such specific emotional
components is not just to quibble with use of the term "
homophobia " but to understand the origin and nature of the
condition. For example, fear and disgust tend to arise out
of different circumstances or contexts, and they manifest in
very different ways.

Fear causes immediate physiological arousal, leading to
elevated respiration and heart rate, and it inspires a
flight reaction. Disgust, however, triggers a bi-phasic
physiological reaction, with heart rate and respiration
initially rising but plummeting shortly thereafter. While
fear causes a "get me away from that" reaction, disgust
manifests as "get that away from me." These different
emotional reactions can lead to very different behaviors,
according to Lohr.

"The same emotions that mediate attitude can mediate
behavior," he said. "If fear mediates avoidance, other
emotions may mediate attack. That distinction becomes very
important when what a person intends to avoid or attack is
not an animal or an inanimate object, but another human
being."

Additionally, different emotional constructs require
different approaches to treatment. Clinical psychologists
often treat true phobias by forcing patients to confront
their fears. Flooding -- or prolonged, repeated exposure to
the feared stimulus -- can weaken the fear response and
allow people to practice controlling their reactions. But
such a procedure may not be effective in eliminating disgust
and, furthermore, would be inappropriate if the object of
that disgust is another person.

Lohr suspects that the type of disgust associated with
homophobia arises from social conditions rather than
psychological ones -- that it represents a prejudicial
attitude more akin to racism than to phobia. If that's the
case, any attempt to treat or reduce homophobia would have
to be conducted through a process of attitude reformation,
which could occur in a social context such as homes or
schools rather than in a clinical setting.

"If contempt and disgust drive homophobia , then it seems
more of a moral or social problem than a psychopathological
one," Lohr said. "If we start to consider negative attitudes
pathological -- implying that there's something medically
wrong with prejudiced people, that they're somehow sick with
their own attitudes -- that seems to me misguided."

Geriatric faggot Bernard Hubbard lisped:

[ ... ]

ROFL! Thanks for helping me express my point, Bernie. And
just think: most here usually pass you off as an old,
senile, feces-felching retard. As the saying goes, even a
broken clock is right twice a day.

"Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message news:<SXzib.1659$lk1.794@bignews3.bellsouth.net>.. .
Poor old bernie bum bandit is a one eyed died in the wool shit eater.
The senile old fool cannot see the difference between disgust,
aversin, repulsion, hate and fear.

I live on a 1,230 acre block of pasture, Eucalypt forest and wetland.
The place has its share of snakes, including the Death Adder, one of
the most venomous snakes in the world. I an not afraid of the snake,
but I don't trust or like the scaly fuckers. Similarly I don't like or
trust poofters.

All things being equal I am not afraid of bernie and his shit eating
fraternity. Anybody who has popped a finger through the toilet tissue
and loaded a finger with turd will feel repoulsed by the shit staned
finger until it is completely wsahed clean.

Poofters on the other hand relish the smell and feel of shit. I
honestly cannot think of anything more disgusting and revolting than
having my dick coated in shit. Bernie and his mentally diseased mates
think that is normal.

I am collecting evidence in some research as part of some volunteeer
work I am doing that there are a significant number of youth suicides
that can be directly blamed on the pro-poofter attitude of certain
elements of society.

Consider the young teenager who is not having much success with
romance and members of the opposite sex. Now, supposing he decides,
after reading and/or listening to some of the pro-poofter propaganda,
that his imagined failures may be caused by the fact that he is a
poof. Further along the track, after trying the butt fucking routine
he is even more disgusted with himself, could this sad person decide
he is not worthy of life and kills himself? It is possible. Young
teenagers are living in a world of constant turmoil as their body
changes from boy to man, both with themselves, their family as he and
his family members adjust to his growing changes, and society.

I firmly believe that the pro-poofter jew owned media and social
workers are directly responsible for a number of youth suicides.
Poofters of course will deny any blame in the matter.

"Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message news:<SXzib.1659$lk1.794@bignews3.bellsouth.net>.. .
Poor old bernie bum bandit is a one eyed died in the wool shit eater.
The senile old fool cannot see the difference between disgust,
aversin, repulsion, hate and fear.

I live on a 1,230 acre block of pasture, Eucalypt forest and wetland.
The place has its share of snakes, including the Death Adder, one of
the most venomous snakes in the world. I an not afraid of the snake,
but I don't trust or like the scaly fuckers. Similarly I don't like or
trust poofters.

All things being equal I am not afraid of bernie and his shit eating
fraternity. Anybody who has popped a finger through the toilet tissue
and loaded a finger with turd will feel repoulsed by the shit staned
finger until it is completely wsahed clean.

Poofters on the other hand relish the smell and feel of shit. I
honestly cannot think of anything more disgusting and revolting than
having my dick coated in shit. Bernie and his mentally diseased mates
think that is normal.

I am collecting evidence in some research as part of some volunteeer
work I am doing that there are a significant number of youth suicides
that can be directly blamed on the pro-poofter attitude of certain
elements of society.

Consider the young teenager who is not having much success with
romance and members of the opposite sex. Now, supposing he decides,
after reading and/or listening to some of the pro-poofter propaganda,
that his imagined failures may be caused by the fact that he is a
poof. Further along the track, after trying the butt fucking routine
he is even more disgusted with himself, could this sad person decide
he is not worthy of life and kills himself? It is possible. Young
teenagers are living in a world of constant turmoil as their body
changes from boy to man, both with themselves, their family as he and
his family members adjust to his growing changes, and society.

I firmly believe that the pro-poofter jew owned media and social
workers are directly responsible for a number of youth suicides.
Poofters of course will deny any blame in the matter.