I'm having trouble reconciling some statements you made in two
recent posts. In the first you said:

| Anyone asking me "Do you have HIV" or "Are you HIV positive"
| would receive the answer "No."
|
| And, as I have never been tested for HIV, my answer would be
| honest and correct.

In the second you said:

| I have specifically mentioned on several occasions I was
| diagnosed 'HIV+' twelve and a half years ago.

How did you get diagnosed HIV+ without being tested for HIV?

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"David Canzi -- non-mailable" <dmcanzi@remulak.uwaterloo.ca> wrote in
message news:f9dl71$79h$1@rumours.uwaterloo.ca...
I can't wait to see his bizarre reply!

On Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:56:17 +0000 (UTC), dmcanzi@remulak.uwaterloo.ca
(David Canzi -- non-mailable) wrote:
Twelve and a half years ago I popped along to my local STD clinic and
asked for an "HIV test," as all gay men are urged to do.

The clinic disregarded my request and gave me what they refer to as an
'HIV antibody test,' and a few weeks later I was told I have HIV and
labeled HIV+.

Have I ever been tested for HIV? No.

Does an 'HIV antibody test' indicate current HIV infection? No.

Does an 'HIV antibody test' indicate previous HIV infection? Someone
will have to find HIV before that question can be answered.
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If I had fever and chills along with coughing, headache, congestion,
aches/pains and exhaustion, what would be a good guess as to
what I am suffering?

If I stood next to you in that condition:

Would you move away or just stand there chatting with me?

In article <mqvlb3h6tmd6v3cutrakif4fuao7b75c8b@4ax.com>,
Martin <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote:
Elsewhere you said: "My 'CD4 count' is below 200. This is the sole
reason I've been advised and pressured into taking HIV medication."

But it turns out that wasn't the *sole* reason after all.

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In article <46ba73d1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>,
Flec <news@emergencycare.com.au> wrote:
He said what I expected him to say: that he was tested for HIV
antibodies, not for HIV.

Briefly, here is what we know about Martin Jay: He tested HIV+
over 12 years ago, has a CD4 count under 200, cruises in parks,
will tell any man there who asks that he isn't HIV+ and, most
strangely for a man who says he isn't HIV+, calls his web site
www.hiv-poz.co.uk.

He's a walking contradiction. He's not posting here to convince
others; he's only trying to convince himself.

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On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 09:20:14 -0500, " Death" <Death@yourdoor.net>
wrote:
That would depend on whether I was attracted to you or not.

I was at a meeting with my HIV consultant a few months ago. Part way
through a female doctor joined us to ask his advice about a patient
she was dealing with.

The female doctor was sniffling and wiping her nose with a bit of
tissue throughout her conversation with my consultant. I remember
thinking at the time that, perhaps, she shouldn't be hanging around
patients with immune system problems.
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On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:11:53 +0000 (UTC), dmcanzi@remulak.uwaterloo.ca
(David Canzi -- non-mailable) wrote:
Presumably you're referring to this thread:
<http://groups.google.co.uk/group/misc.health.aids/browse_thread/thread/164dc9e3f5343bba/69b103a40626d78c?#69b103a40626d78c>.

Earlier I mentioned the follow in it:

"I have specifically mentioned on several occasions I was diagnosed
'HIV+' twelve and a half years ago."
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On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 16:55:59 +0000 (UTC), dmcanzi@remulak.uwaterloo.ca
(David Canzi -- non-mailable) wrote:
Now, perhaps you'd like to introduce yourself and tell us what your
interest in HIV is.

It's either that or the whole HIV thing is a lie.

Trying to convince myself what?
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David Canzi -- non-mailable wrote:

One might think that the other Death/Diablo/brainfart socks would be
piling on with that kind of info and they'd be battling over "faggotry"
and how Martin should be quarantined for that kind of behavior. But
they *do* seem to get along...

Isn't that a Simon and Garfunkel lyric?

B/

"Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message
Quarantined for what ? Martin claims he does not have HIV.
I think being a little tyrant, it is you who would have people
shut up and locked away on your fanciful whims.

On the other hand, if Martin is HIV positive and he is out
infecting other faggots, I have no problem with that either.

To date, Martin has not been a smart-assed-punk when addressing
anyone, and he has been given like responses.

You faggot insist on insisting I use socks, which is a faggot lie.
I have no need to use another name, I give my opinion
openly and often, and stand behind all that I list.

In article <13bmmmakr9cia3a@news.supernews.com>,
Brian Mailman <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote:
I don't know how Death and Diablo will or would react: mostly I
don't see their postings.

Kris Kristofferson. I tried to avoid using such a recognizable
song lyric, but all the alternatives to it were worse.

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In article <ukkmb3lbaf1qlul0fk5jskqngna4cd7714@4ax.com>,
Martin <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote:
I'm a paid agent of the pharmaco-industrial complex, with the
specific job of harassing you, Martin.

You're trying to convince yourself that "no" is an honest answer
when somebody in a cruising area asks you if you're HIV+.

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On Thu, 9 Aug 2007 19:38:32 +0000 (UTC), dmcanzi@remulak.uwaterloo.ca
(David Canzi -- non-mailable) wrote:
Thanks for your honesty.

I've been unable to make telephone calls for about half an hour: I
just get a continuous dialtone even after I've dialled the number I
wish to call. Have a word with your phone-tapping department and get
the problem sorted out, please.

Oh, and you might want to reeducation my HIV consultant. Tell him I
have a copy of the form he recently completed about me and he's
wondered severely off-message. Anyone reading it could be forgiven
for thinking he doesn't believe in HIV either.
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<http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/>
Moible: +447939991519

In article <ptvmb3tli1al1h670sb3d3225iehepkrmu@4ax.com>,
Martin <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote:
I figured that, since you were going to say it sooner or later, I
might as well skip some unnecessary steps in the usual choreography
and get to the end of the dance sooner.

Call British Telecom's customer service number -- from the nearest
pay phone if necessary. Our operators are standing by to intercept
your call.

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David Canzi | Eternal truths come and go. |

what care what others think
alternatives cannot proof hiv does not exists. mainstream cannot proof
hiv exists.
the argument will be no ending. just focus on educating based on your
belief and ignore unconstructive criticism.

On Aug 10, 5:14 am, Martin <mar...@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote:

"If I had fever and chills along with coughing, headache, congestion,
aches/pains and exhaustion, what would be a good guess as to
what I am suffering?"

This is too general, but it's likely that in an "infectious disease"
context most if not all of these symptoms are due to the inflammatory
molecules that are generated.

If the "orthodoxy" fears that the "dissidents" have the potential to
do so much damage to public health, all they need to do is to find
someone who tests very high on the "viral load" test, take a sample,
look at it under an EM (without "stimulating" the sample), and there
should be an abundance of particles that are the correct shape and
size for "HIV," according to the textbooks (at the same time, a
control sample should also be examine in the same way, from a person
with a similar lifestyle, but said to be "HIV negative"). It would
certainly cause me to rethink my understanding of the phenomena in
question if this was the result, confirmed by at least two labs that
document every step of the process, have all those involved sign an
agreement holding them liable for the accuracy of the process, and
have no conflicts of interest. If I thought the "orthodoxy" were
correct, I would urge those who could do so in order to demonstrate
that our claim has some real evidence for it. The fact that this has
not been done, actually, demonstrates (to me, as an academic, and to
many of those I talk to about this) that these individuals are not
especially interested in "public health," nor the science of the
phenomena, but merely in maintaining the status quo. Hopefully,
everyone here realizes the conflicts of interest involved among many
who argue for the "HIV/AIDS" claim. To have such conflicts and not to
do experiments that would go a long way to demonstrating that there is
some direct evidence for your claim is what I consider to be the
apogee of academic dishonesty.

On a different note, other scientists (not concerned about "HIV/AIDS"
specifically), have determined what really does cause "AIDS." Though
it is more complex than this, the passage from the report below is a
good description for the general public, in terms of what I call
"classic AIDS," meaning the immune system difficulties that lead to
the dangerous "opportunistic infections:"

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0802182038.htm

QUOTE: Scientists have discovered that at the same time the immune
system is vigorously attacking invading viruses or bacteria, it is
unexpectedly reducing its production of a particular type of factor
that directs the movement of immune cells.

The new finding, which could help explain the transient immune
suppression often seen during acute infections, shows that the immune
system is even more complex than previously believed...

The findings could help scientists devise better dosing schedules for
multi-dose vaccines and also could provide a better understanding of
how the immune system responds to multiple infections. A likely result
is a lowering of the body's ability to respond to a second infection.

"If you have an acute viral infection, your immune system may be
suppressed in its ability to respond to secondary infections during
that brief period," Dr. Mueller says. "If you have a nasty flu
infection in the lung, for example, you are more susceptible to
secondary bacterial infections, and this chemokine reduction could
contribute to that..."

"The discovery of this basic phenomenon - that these lymphoid
chemokines are reduced during an immune response - was quite a shock
to us. It illustrates another dramatic level of complexity in the
immune system and demonstrates in greater detail how the traffic of
immune cells is regulated."

Dr. Mueller believes the down-regulation of lymphoid chemokines, which
occurs for a one- to two-week period during the height of an immune
response, may be the body's way of shutting down the immune response
and avoiding excessive and damaging inflammation. In addition,
reducing these immune factor could be beneficial for the immune cells
that are actively responding to a virus, he points out.

IIn a massive inflammatory response to infection, many immune cells
divide into great numbers of cells, Dr. Mueller explains. Once the
immune response is complete, 95 percent of those cells die and leave a
smaller population of memory cells to circulate in the body and
protect against subsequent infections by that same pathogen...
UNQUOTE.

Classic signs and conditions of the...... flu.

My question was/is :

If you were standing next to me while I hacked and coughed
while shaking, would you move to a safe distance or stand there?

The obvious answer is, I should not have been standing near anyone
to expose them to the flu. I should not have placed you in a position
where you had to take any action.

How much greater is the danger of someone infected with HIV
walking around having sex with unsuspecting people and lying
or saying nothing about their condition.

At least the flu gives a warning of its presence.

David Canzi -- non-mailable wrote:
I tried that, but he just keeps on morphing to evade killfiles.

Ah. I knew it sounded familiar, though.

B/

In article <13bpdrgt9oi1457@news.supernews.com>,
Brian Mailman <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote:
Death and Diablo are, in my opinion, two different people.
Death doesn't morph. Diablo does. Something in my kill file
is suppressing Diablo's postings in spite of his morphing, but
I don't know what.

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