I know I'm probably boring y'all with my personal family problems, but
here is an update on my psychotic HIV+ brother...

The Seroquel isn't working. The doctor upped him to an incredible 800mg
per day, and every night it is a chore to get him to take it. Then
somehow he managed to score some crystal meth yesterday. I don't know
where he got the money, as he is unemployed, has already ripped off
every friend he has, and my father makes sure he never has more than
50 cents in his pocket at any time.

So my father arrives at his condo today to find it trashed and my brother
missing. A neighbor explained how the police arrived at 4am and arrested
him on two gross misdemeanor charges (I'm not sure what). He had torn
the gate to his porch off its hinges, put three holes in the walls,
knocked over his television set, and from what I heard he took his vacuum
cleaner and attacked the neighbor's car with it (?!?). My father found
a straw and knife in the living room, surely evidence of crystal use.

So now my stoopid brother is in jail, awaiting arraignment tomorrow at
9am. What's really sad is that a judge had already signed the paperwork
for involuntary committment, and it was supposed to be in the system today
and my father was planning on having him committed today. I just hope
that the arraignment judge will know this and release him to the mental
hospital rather than letting him out on bail.

Nevada's mental health services just suck! I'm a firm believer in personal
liberty and despise the way psychiatry was abused in the past to lock up
political dissidents. But now it's gone too far in the other direction.
There seems to be no way at all to commit a mentally ill person to an
institution, no matter how much chaos they are causing. A person actually
has to be running amok with a knife before authorities will take any
action, and then it tends to be treated as a criminal matter rather than
a mental health matter. For all the times the police were called on my
brother while I was babysitting him, they never could do anything about it
at all. They were so nice and listened to him babble about CIA mindcontrol
signals and black helicopters while I explained his predicament, but they
repeatedly told me there was nothing they could do about it. I took him to
the public mental hospital and they told me there was nothing they could
do about it. The mental hospital told me that patients could be referred
from the county hospital emergency room, but he was taken there and released
after 48 hours. The ONLY alternative is to file a petition for involuntary
committment with a court, which my father did on Friday, but we can't
understand why it took until Wednesday to take effect, too late to save
my brother from himself.

"tweeked out twinkie" <asshole@psychotic.com> wrote in message news:<05mdnZSW4dRH5Cjd4p2dnA@bravo.net>...

"tweeked out twinkie" <asshole@psychotic.com> wrote in message
news:05mdnZSW4dRH5Cjd4p2dnA@bravo.net...
I suspect it's a matter of money. I was committed once upon a time (before I
knew I was bipolar) and wanted to change hospitals. My insurance company (an
HMO) helped me! The HMO said they wouldn't pay the bill, and I was out in 24
hours, and transferred into my prefered luxury hospital.
Follow the dollars.....
Best wishes in your difficult situation. I hope the law has some humanity in
your brother's case.

Sorry Twinkie I don't think I'm buying this anymore, I honestly can't say
what your motivation might be
but you're stories are getting a little too neat and package.
Good luck I hope you have a lot of luck convincing others of your
imaginary brother, I for one thing it's bogus.

Zaphod

"tweeked out twinkie" <asshole@psychotic.com> wrote in message
news:05mdnZSW4dRH5Cjd4p2dnA@bravo.net...

Bogus?!
Now I feel stupid for answering him.
-Rich

"zb "Who thought he was saying something when he said""
<Zaphod@SAFe-mail.net> wrote in message
news:xDmtc.9983$3X4.1172@bignews5.bellsouth.net...

I'd hazzard a guess that it's a self description.

On Thu, 27 May 2004 09:15:32 -0500, "zb \"Who thought he was saying
something when he said\"" <Zaphod@SAFe-mail.net> wrote:

"Rich" <Rich@anon.com> wrote in message

Rich don't feel stupid for being "human" and a nice guy.

(((((hug)))))


On Thu, 27 May 2004 14:48:29 GMT, "Rich" <Rich@anon.com> wrote:

-------------------------remainder of bullshit snipped----------------

"tweeked out twinkie" <asshole@psychotic.com> wrote in message news:<05mdnZSW4dRH5Cjd4p2dnA@bravo.net>...

But you could force him out of your life. Problem is that you feel
you need to help him somehow since he's your brother. Are you sure
that you are helping him by your actions? It appears to me that if
you offer even the smallest support to him you are enabling him to use
drugs despite any money restrictions or other controls. Enabling is
not helpful ever. If you let go he might hit some bottom and start to
climb back up from it. Yes, he might die instead which would suck but
there's no way that he will get healthy when he's being enabled.

"zb "Who thought he was saying something when he said"" <Zaphod@SAFe-mail.net> wrote in message
news:xDmtc.9983$3X4.1172@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
(This is TOT under a new alias...)

Find, don't believe me! I swear every word is true and I don't know why
you think I'd be making it up. Perhaps you think I am some fucked-up
anti-drug crusader, the sort who tells tales of teenagers axing their
parents to death after smoking marihuana cigarettes. If you must know,
I used to be a HARDCORE druggie, and still am, though my current
geographical location (Buttfuck, Texas) seems to have a shortage of any
good drugs except DXM. I fried my brain with tweek in the mid- to late-
1990s, but managed to quit cold turkey when I moved to Texas. Then I
went psychotic in 2000, though not nearly as bad as what my brother is
experiencing. My buddy, who also quit tweek at the SAME time I did,
went psychotic within MONTHS of me in 2000, having to be hospitalized
for over a month. Both of us were put on the antipsychotic drug
Risperdal and both of us are now relatively "normal."

I still LUV drugs, but am beginning to get a very negative attitude
towards crystal methamphetamine. I've never seen a drug that fucks
people up so bad! I'll be honest and tell y'all that I did snort it
again a few weeks ago, after my brother came home with a baggie.
Although my job as babysitter was to keep him away from it, I figured
he had already bought it and I purchased half from him, probably
rationalizing that at least I was keeping him from taking ALL of the
drug, and at least performing SOME of my duty. In retrospect, I should
have grabbed it from him and flushed it down the toilet. After
snorting it I wasn't particularly impressed, it wasn't at all like my
trips of old and I only felt slightly wired, but it sent my brother
over the edge, so far over that the neighbors called the police.

So please explain why you think I am making all of this up? What
possible motivation might I have, especially as I've explained how I
am not some radical anti-drug crusader?

---------------------------------------------------------------------
"Drugs should be freely distributed. That way the people who want to
kill themselves will do it, leaving more room for the people who can
do the rest of the drugs."
-- Marilyn Manson
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Wasn't this on the Lifetime channel back in June of 2002?


"Spanky the Clown" <spanky@perv.com> wrote in message
news:f5SdnQFZxKXupivdRVn-jg@bravo.net...

"Baby Peanut" <baby_p_nut2@yahoo.com> wrote in message...
(This is TOT under a new alias...)

I'm not really enabling him, my parents are. They are starting to feel
really bad about the tens of thousands of dollars they've dumped on him
over the last few years. When he tested HIV+ in late 1994 there really
was no effective treatment and my parents figured he only had a year or
two to live and wanted to make them the "best years of his life." But
the cocktails restored him to near-perfect health and IF he goes back
on them I expect he might live another 20-30 years at least.

He really is incompetent and always has been. He's not retarded, but
to say he is a bit "slow" is an understatement. I actually have a
good buddy (bipolar and "slow") who seems to be much more competent
than my brother. The difference between my buddy and my brother is
that my buddy KNOWS he is dumb and doesn't hesitate to ask for
advice on what he should do, while my brother thinks he is some sort
of nuclear rocket scientist and refuses to listen to anyone else's
advice. There is no giving advice to my brother - he knows it all
and anyone else's suggestions on what he should do is some sort of
attempt to control his life. In addition to that, he is a spoiled
brat from hell! He expects our parents (and now the government) to
throw unlimited amounts of money at him, but balks if they tell him
how he should be spending it.

You are right, we probably should have let him hit rock bottom. But
we do love him (despite my talking trash about him) and don't want
to see him wind up as one of those crazy homeless people living
under bridges. He is mentally ill and has AIDS, and likely would be
dead had they not helped him out so many times.

Today's update: my brother appeared before the arraignment judge and
my father explained the situation and showed him the other judge's
involuntary commitment order. So rather than granting him bail, this
judge ordered him transferred to the mental hospital immediately.
The charges are still unresolved, but my father suspects that the
judge will eventually close the case with the time served in the
mental hospital (30 days minimum), though I expect my brother will
still have to pay for the damage he caused to his neighbor's car
when he attacked it with a vacuum cleaner. Once he is stabilized,
we're going to try to persuade him to go back on the AIDS cocktail.
I talked to his AIDS doctor last week and he said that getting him
mentally stabilized was the most important thing at the moment, as
there was no point on putting him on the complex cocktail therapy
if he wasn't competent enough to take the pills regularly and on
schedule. I just hope there is a third combo available to him; he
already quit two different combos, so it will be a miracle if there
is a third set of drugs he can use.

"Spanky the Clown" <spanky@perv.com> wrote in message
news:f5SdnQFZxKXupivdRVn-jg@bravo.net...
Hey Spunky you child molester, if you want to ad credence to your claim, you
might want to not:
A. Take the name of a child molester
B. Quote Marilyn Manson.

Just a thought lol

Zaphod

Baby Peanut wrote:

Yes, but that would absolutely ruin the ongoing drama.

B/

"Rev. 11D Meow!" <Jimmy@Crack.Corn> wrote...
Maybe, but my story is still true. I banished Lifetime from my DirecTV
favorite channels list a long time ago. It seems like every show and
movie on Lifetime has the same plot - some helpless woman who is being
abused, stalked, harrassed, or otherwise victimized by an evil male.
I recognize feminazi propaganda when I see it and I refuse to watch it.

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"Spanky the Clown" <spanky@perv.com> wrote in message
news:j9edncDmEawjDCvdRVn-sA@bravo.net...
| > Wasn't this on the Lifetime channel back in June of 2002?

| Maybe, but my story is still true. I banished Lifetime from my DirecTV
| favorite channels list a long time ago. It seems like every show and
| movie on Lifetime has the same plot - some helpless woman who is being
| abused, stalked, harrassed, or otherwise victimized by an evil male.
| I recognize reality when I see it and I refuse to watch it.
|

"Spanky the Clown" <spanky@perv.com> wrote in message news:<GbudnXbln5W23SvdRVn-hQ@bravo.net>...
You are clearly in denial. Either you are part of the problem or you
are part of the solution. Have you gone to any support groups for
co-dependants of alcohol or drug abusers? If you have and it didn't
work out then find another group. If you can't find a group then
start one. If you can't start a group then get a shrink who knows
about AA, NA, Coda, etc. If you can't afford a shrink try a church
group. Start reaching out in a meanful way and don't stop until you
get real help.

That's not your problem. Your problem is that you haven't done what
is healthy for you.

Do you have an OCD or something? You seem to want to tell the same
story over and over like it's a complusion. Repeatedly posting a tale
of ongoing woe to USENET is not a viable solution. You need help up
close and personal.

More enabling. Rather than preach I will just sit back and watch the
inevitable happen yet again. He will come back out of the mental
hospital with just enough more fortitude to do more crystal and make
you post yet another post about how bad he is again.

Brian Mailman <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message news:<40B6870B.90AB90C3@sfo.com>...
True and now that we don't have "Another World (with Dave P.)" anymore
we should not get rid of this one.

I had the same thing happen to a friend of mine. He was a loser when he got
an meth, don't get me wrong i love him to death, but he deserves what he
got. like 6 years in jail, for going nuts on a guy and almost stabbibg
him.and yes i am a hipocrite for doing it at times (meth) but i tell you
there are just some people in this world who can handle it to a point and
others just can't.

I feel your brother is doomed, let him go. Don't take that wrong. Make your
peace with him and let him go.