Dear "PaulKing" et al:

Please explain just what the agenda is behind your posts. I am having trouble
finding the logic in the repeated posting of several unsupported and/or
selectively edited articles, some of which are quite dated, that you have been
making. Outside of reading your name repeatedly in the "Sent By" column for
this newsgroup, I'm afraid that outside of arguing for it's own sake, your
point escapes me.

While I can appreciate the concept of playing "devil's advocate" to make a
point, several of your posts are morally irresponsible. You continually post
opinions as fact, misrepresent research, and rarely provide references to
support your ramblings.

Your insistence on absolute, perfect scientific proof that HIV causes AIDS is,
in my opinion, unrealistic given the current state of technology. As an
example, I have been researching cytokines and chemokines, chemical messengers
of the immune system. While science has an understanding of which cell lines
produce which compounds, and how some of them interact to produce immune
responses, technology has yet to produce a manner in which these compounds can
be accurately, and quickly measured in living persons. Using the current
technology, there are indications that infection with HIV triggers specific
cytokine and chemokine responses, altering the function of the immune system.
These changes can and do to create self perpetuating changes which may continue
indefinitely, and which may, with future technology, prove to be one of the
ways HIV infection causes AIDS.

Getting back to the point of this post, please answer the following, providing
citations and links to support your position

1) Seeing as fluctuate, do you believe the HIV/HTLV-III viron exists?
2) What recent citations can you offer that HIV infection and AIDS are not
in some way linked?
3) What recent citations can you provide that the current HIV/AIDS
hypothesis is incorrect?
4) What recent citations can you offer to explain the immune dysfunction
seen in HIV infected individuals?
5) What exactly is the purpose of your posts? Exactly what are you trying
to accomplish?
6) What gain do you stand to make from the lawsuits you are promoting?
7) What is your standing in making these posts? Are you in the medical
field, research field, HIV infected, or suffering from immune dysfunction?



There was a time when this newsgroup used to be a valuable resource of
information. It was a place where new concepts, ideas, and research were openly
discussed. Valuable information was exchanged here, information that helped not
only persons with HIV/AIDS, but also other persons with other viral infections
and/or immune disorders. You and your ilk have almost put an end to this with
your repeated inane posts. If this is your plan, congratulations you almost
seem to be succeeding.

WaxNCats@aol.com

Every single question you pose has been covered in my posts and every one
has been well referenced.

I suggest you actually read them.

You may want to live in a world of delusions regarding this myth of a
syndrome but clearly most of the others on this board do not.

Less and less people here subscribe to this discreadited myth.

Regards,

Paul

On 13 Jul 2004 02:10:14 GMT, waxncats@aol.com (WaxNcats) wrote:

snip...
And yet the guy will grab onto the nearest floating theory like
"poverty is AIDS" or "passing by a benzene molecule causes AIDS" with
virtually NO data, support or even evidence and claim he has
discovered the cause.

I'd love to hear more about your cytokine research!!

And don't worry. The group has always been one for free-wheeling
discourse on various topics. And also been one where people like Paul
wander in and out. Or like David Pasquarelli who wanders no more
because he bought Paul's lies.

George M. Carter

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 08:33:50 GMT, GMCarter <fiar@verizon.net> wrote:

Mr. Carter's wonderful contributions to this newsgroup are often
diminished by that nasty psychological coping mechanism of
transference, once again.

Perhaps Mr. King would benefit from having the facts about
the SPV-30 treatment scam that Mr. Carter foisted upon the
HIV-infected community a decade ago, when he was on
the ArkoPharma France payroll?

As many here might recall, Mr. Carter seemed all to eager to
"grab onto the nearest floating theory ... with virtually NO data,
support or even evidence".

Aside from Mr. Carter's frequent proclamations of compassion,
perhaps this better explains why Mr. Carter seems to be
haunted by the memories of those who died, because
he helped kill them for his ArkoPharma meal ticket?

Thus in yet another fine contribution to this group, Mr. Carter
offers a nearly perfect clinical example of psychological
transference. Arising from his ADD with compulsive features,
this embarrassing truth only seems to energize creatures
like Mr. Carter.

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 04:11:10 -0400, "PaulKing"
<aimulti@aimultimedia.com> wrote:

Paul, Mr. Carter suffers from ADD with compulsive and possibly
borderline psychopathic features.

Carter doesn't actually read - that would take valuable time
away from his compulsive posting activities.

Finally, your designation that he was a "parrot" was quite
revealing at the clinical level, even though Mr. Carter's
mental state becomes obvious to even the most
casual observer.

On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 09:58:29 -0700, redrum1@alltel.net wrote:

LOL. It IS the frod show again! The guy who has been hawking DNCB and
making millions on a failed worthless toxic therapy!

Ah, libel thy name is Shaw. How long do you think this ISP will keep
you, frod?

If they actually had, I wouldn't be asking, but I'll bite, which posts?

Ah another parrot

Mr Carter did not start this thread, now who isn't reading....