Dear "PaulKing" et al:

Please explain just what the agenda is behind your posts. I am having trouble
finding the logic in the repeated posting of only several articles you have
been making. Outside of reading your name repeatedly in the "Sent By" column
for this newsgroup, I'm afraid that outside of arguing for it's own sake, your
point escapes me.

There was a time when this newsgroup used to be a valuable resource of
information. It was a place where new concepts, ideas, and research were openly
discussed. Valuable information was exchanged here, information that helped not
only persons with HIV/AIDS, but also other persons with other viral infections
and/or immune disorders. You and your ilk have almost put an end to this with
your repeated inane posts. If this is your plan, congratulations you seem to be
succeeding.

With the recent demise of sci.med.aids this is the only newsgroup I have found
that offers at least some helpful information. Having to wade though your
repeated posts of unsubstantiated information, often repeatedly posted, and
rarely with any citations is very annoying.

Please answer the following, providing citations and links to support your
position

1)Seeing as fluctuate, do you believe the HIV/HTLV-III viron exists?

2)What recent citations can you offer that HIV infection and AIDS are not in
some way linked?

3)What recent citations can you provide that the current HIV/AIDS hypothesis is
incorrect?

4)What recent citations can you offer to explain the immune dysfunction seen in
HIV infected individuals?

5)What exactly is the purpose of your posts? Exactly what are you trying to
accomplish?

6)What is your standing in making these posts? Are you in the medical field,
research field, HIV infected, or suffering from immune disfunction?

Hi WaxNcats -

I come here for much the same reason as you... only to be sadly disappointed
that one has to wade through layer after layer of crap. After all these
years of mind-numbing babble from the denialist lot, visiting here has grown
rather tiresome.

I subscribe, look for anything worth reading, absorb what's worth absorbing,
and then unsubscribe and delete the whole sad mess from my computer.

I've long ago come to the conclusion that the trolls are hungry for
attention. Pay any attention to them and they grow ever hungrier.

Your questions are good on point... but, sadly, I doubt you'll receive
anything resembling a satisfactory answer.


To the regulars of the group one piece of advice: Ignore the trolls. Don't
feed them and let them starve for the attention they crave.

Jef

"Jef Norton" <jefn_REMOVE_YOUR_SHORTS_@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<xoupc.8929$Tx.1352@newssvr27.news.prodigy.co m>...

It's very obvious by their insulting and ridiculing style, that the
"trolls" here are the Aids Inc shills.
You sound so sure of yourself about HIV/AIds, what is the basis of
your confidence? Have you bothered to read any non-mainstream material
at all? If not then you are just a blind believer and conformist to
authority.

"Jef Norton" <jefn_REMOVE_YOUR_SHORTS_@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:<xoupc.8929$Tx.1352@newssvr27.news.prodigy.co m>...

Well they don't go away when they are ignored, they crapflood instead.

http://www.google.com/search?q=crapflood

"Baby Peanut" <baby_p_nut2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| Well they don't go away when they are ignored, they crapflood instead.
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| http://www.google.com/search?q=crapflood


I completely understand your point.

Crapflood is a response to not getting enough attention. What happens when
the crapflood is ignored?

The point I was trying to make is that I read post after post after post
where the regulars in this group attempt to *reason* with the denialists and
trolls - to convince them that they are wrong. As if it were possible to
herd cats. If they're wrong... ¡So What! Let them be wrong. It's not as
if those of us who genuinely want to gain additional information and insight
have anything to learn from the noise, or even fail to recognize it as
noise. The noise completely drowns out the signal and nothing useful ends
up communicated and I go away (again) unsatisfied in my quest for
understanding.

I learned a long time ago to work my e-mail filters and blocked senders
list. The "et al" subject of this thread is actually pretty easy to filter
out and the small amount that does get through is easy to ignore.
Unfortunately the post after post after post (ad nauseum) of rebuttal is
unfilterable when the senders of those posts are otherwise individuals with
a lot of on-topic and useful information and experience to share.

Jef

Ok here is the aging. It may be entertaining for a number of people in the
AIDS scientific community to use the elusive behavior of “HIV” as a
convenient wellspring of creative mental gymnastics. It might add some
fresh air to an otherwise boring laboratory routine or inject life to a
very stuffy environment when some new theory is placed on the table.

But while you and your cronies are being fed mentally, financially, and
emotionally by the thriving “killer” virus “HIV” - (which has as much
validity as a Japanese Giant Gila monster), people are STILL DYING! (Do
I need to remind you here that it is not HIV that they are dying from? Or
have you at least, (hopefully), glanced over some of the numerous articles
that people have place right before your eyes?)

Let’s just face some facts here people. The main one being – if you
cannot come up with a vaccine for a virus that you have “isolated” TWENTY
FIVE YEARS AGO………………… you just haven’t isolated a virus! We are not
talking rocket science here, (although I know you desperately wish it WERE
rocket science – anything to try and explain your completely and utter
failure to find a “cure”.)

If you would take your eyeballs away from your microscope for a moment you
would see the pink elephant standing next to you. That is all Paul King
and his, “ilk” are doing……they are just trying to encourage you to get you
eyeballs OFF of the pieces of molecular garbage that you call “HIV” and
look at the real causes and cures for AIDS.

Then maybe you can offer some real help to all those who are sick and
suffering.

The word in the first sentence is AGENDA, (not aging)

The word in the first sentence is AGENDA, (not aging)