http://www.theothersideofaids.com/

http://www.theothersideofaids.com/

On Wed, 16 May 2007 10:55:46 +0100, "JOHN" <john@btinternet.com>
wrote:

Yeah, David Pasquarelli and a lot of other denialists have discovered
the other side of AIDS.

I hope they're busy being useful and kicking Falwell's nasty dead ass.

On May 16, 11:39 am, GMCarter <f...@verizon.net> wrote:
Important video relating to HIV and AIDS.

http://www.aidsfraudvideo.com

http://aidsmyth.addr.com/enteraidsmyth.htm
http://www.amazon.com/Science-Sold-O.../dp/1556436424
http://www.amazon.com/Inventing-AIDS.../dp/0895263998
http://aras.ab.ca/rethinkers.php
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig7/culshaw1.html
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...14/ai_12508167
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/aids/chap6.htm
http://www.hiv-aids-factorfraud.com/producer.htm


rocketscience

On 16 May 2007 11:16:32 -0700, rocketscience
<rocketscience13579@gmail.com> wrote:

Just like a good repugnican--repeat the lie ad nauseam.

There ARE WMD in Iraq. There IS a connection with Saddam and Al Qaeda.
HIV doesn't cause AIDS.

All the same psychotic bullshit pushed by right wing psychotics that
want to kill people with HIV.

George M. Carter

GMCarter wrote:
But on Usenet that has consequences. For example, google on spam
thresholds, Breidbart Index, and BI > 20.

B/

On Wed, 16 May 2007 18:32:14 -0700, Brian Mailman
<bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote:

What the heck is all that??

"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
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rather sums up your argument

Mr. Carter apparently does not appreciate the irony that he identifies
critics of the "HIV/AIDS" mess/nonsense with the tactics used so
blatantly by the current administration, and yet it is people like
himself who employ these tactics, not the "dissidents" (in general).
One thing I learned in graduate school is to first determine who is
willing to answer the tough questions. The "orthodoxy" refuses to do
so; no matter how many of them I have asked to participate in a debate
that is to focus on one scientific issue at a time, the answer is the
same, though sometimes it is laced with a few obscentities or personal
attacks.

Thus, I will put forth the offer again. On my site, I am willing to
moderate a debate on any scientific point an "orthodox" individual
wishes to discuss in the "HIV/AIDS" context. The person will have all
the space he/she wishes to explain his positions and criticize the
position of the person he/she debates. My role is to keep the debate
on point, to ask for clarification or further explanation, etc., along
with the usual and obvious (personal attacks and obscentities will be
deleted).

I have a strong feeling that many people like Mr. Carter suffer from a
personality disorder which renders them unable to tolerate those who
disagree with them on these "dry" scientific issues. Their actions
and statements often make no sense in any context. For example, if
there are people who you believe are totally wrong on a scientific
issue, and that your explanation is so clearly superior, why wouldn't
you want to debate them and demonstrate this? Mr. Carter and his ilk
have no answers, and instead wish to do exactly what we have seen from
so many disgraced politicians or political appointees just before they
felt compelled to step down or decided not to run for office again.

<monty1945@lycos.com> wrote in message
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Mr. Carter and his ilk
Heavy denial tends to bring out the beast, with MMR vaccine the main nut
attacking the scientist exposing the autism connection--his son developed
autism 4 weeks after he gave him a MMR jab. Go figure.

Carter must have a conscience somwhere which he keeps well down by being a
rabid HIV zealot. Anyone with 3 brain cells can see through HIV.

On 20 May 2007 20:55:49 -0700, monty1945@lycos.com wrote:

What tactics specifically? And don't make me laugh. I've seen
denialists pull every sleazy tactic that exists.

At the end of the day, no one's "tactics" matter a damn. What matters
is the truth. And you're simply wrong. HIV exists and it causes AIDS
in well over 90% of infected individuals.

THAT is a an outrageous lie. EVERY question raised by denialists has
been answered exhaustively and with a great deal of evidentiary
support. This forum and other blogs provide those responses.

What happens is that once one question is answered, denialists trot
off to the next question as if it is some new idea that just struck
them.

It's one great big circle jerk of delusional bullshit of non-issues
that range from isolation to testing to treatment. And what's worse is
GENUINE issues get lost in the tiny minds that regurgitate the
denialist bullshit.

Fuck you and your site. Do it right here.

No one censors anyone here.

George M. Carter

On Mon, 21 May 2007 09:24:28 +0100, "JOHN" <john@btinternet.com>
wrote:

I've noticed that.

"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
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If you had cured one single case of aids you would have a leg to stand on.

the vaccination hoax is easy to take apart, and then when you know that you
would be insane to trust them again, eg with HIV, in fact, like Tony Blair,
you would find out what he wants or thinks, and do the complete opposite

notice how they invent or comandeer terms like 'denialist'. That is mind
control/propaganda basic.

Firstly you control the usage of the term, eg by controlling Wikipedia.

Then you have another loaded term to chuck. The Church had one
term--heretics.

But the medical industry needs plenty with all the diseases and drugs.

Eg: 'Conspiracy theory', 'Quack/crank', 'Anti-vaccine', 'Pseudoscience' &
'anti-science'

On Mon, 21 May 2007 10:11:43 GMT, GMCarter <fiar@verizon.net> wrote:
I think the worst tactic you employ is the one of fear. I've put
forward several viewpoints and arguments here that are opposed to
yours. The main thrust of your responses seem to include the word
'death' a lot. And specifically the dogma that I should begin taking
ARVs or die within the next four months.

Oh dear. You missed an opportunity there: you forgot to mention your
favourite word again: 'death.'

The 90% you mention relies on some very dubious *estimates*, including
figures from places such as Africa.

Oh yes, like this question I asked in
<sm8k43hdr0rgm158i5t3sek74480u9srka@4ax.com>:

"Does ART work?"

Your exhaustive answer, "with a great deal of evidentiary support,"
was an attempt to rephrase the question:

"The question is what is the rate of death among those who do not have
access to ARV therapy."

And in <g2re435853e0g81sllgb8b91h54avmpo4d@4ax.com> when I posed the
question:

"Is HIV/AIDS really killing people in South Africa?"

You gave this considered response:

"Presuming the data are accurate, it's your interpretation that is
suspect."

You're being ridiculous now. Asking questions should be viewed as a
positive thing because it's how we learn and test ideas and theories.

The HIV=AIDS=Death theory is treated like a religion: don't question
it, and anyone who doesn't believe will die. What's so precious about
HIV=AIDS=Death that prevents anyone from questioning it?

Internet newsgroups are generally discussion forums. Perhaps you
shouldn't be here if you don't want to discuss your delicate theory.

Another one of your well reasoned arguments!

And what "GENUINE issues" are you referring to? The issue of funding
toxic drug treatment programmes?
--
Should I begin ART?
Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/>

GMCarter wrote:
Usenet spam isn't like email spam. It's determined to be "the same
thing many times."

The Breidbart Index is a mathematical formula to determine how often a
message has been posted (taking all possible combinations of posting
into account). If the BI is more than 20, then the 3rd party spam
cancellers go into motion. That means someone who has been spamming may
find their messages removed from various servers.

That is, repeating the same lie may have consequences, as I said.

B/

On Mon, 21 May 2007 12:21:10 +0100, "JOHN" <john@btinternet.com>
wrote:

Why? You think diseases can't exist in the absence of a cure?

LOL...vaccination hoax. What a load of crap. Smallpox has been
eradicated because of vaccines.

Darling, denialists have plenty of nasty terms for people that don't
buy your codswallop. So don't play high and mighty. It's simply
ludicrous.

LOL. Time to take off the aluminum hat and wake up.

But ya won't.

George M. Carter

On Mon, 21 May 2007 13:09:51 +0100, "HIV Positive"
<hiv.positive@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, darling, given that another denialist just died of AIDS, I think
the fear is valid. It should not be debilitating--but it can be. Fear
is a natural human response to dangerous situations.

And yes, I think you should be on treatments, including ARV, to
prevent an OI developing since you claim to be HIV+ with less than 100
T cells.

Life causes death. Birth is the first step on the way to dying.

However, the reality of HIV causing AIDS seems to have escaped you.
Sadly, you have bought a group of horrible lies.

Actually, many of the cohorts that look at the small numbers of long
term non- or very slow progressors have been in places from San
Francisco to Scotland to Kenya. And the epi stats are from all over
the world.

Feel free to copy it here. I'm not following that link.


If you really cared about the answers, you'd look at the data, not my
views. The data are out there. I ain't gonna dig it up for you because
I choose not to take the time right now.

George M. Carter

On Mon, 21 May 2007 21:03:46 GMT, GMCarter <fiar@verizon.net> wrote:
Ah, an admission that your preaching of HIV=AIDS=Death is dangerous.

And, I find it rather sad that you've used someone's obituary to
attempt to support your argument. That's very cruel, and doesn't even
support your hypothesis.

You haven't been paying attention. My last CD4 count on 29th March
was exactly 100. An improvement of 3 on the month before. Apparently
my 'HIV viral load' had also been slashed by 50% from over 50,000 to
23,000. At this rate I'll have a 'normal' CD4 count by the year 2020.


You're very morbid.

So now I've gone from being a dangerous 'denialist' to a sheep who
follows others.

The reality you speak of only exists inside the church of
HIV=AIDS=Death.

But you're comparing two opposites: long-term/non/slow progressors in
wealthy counties with deaths in some of the poorest parts of the
world.

It's not a link. It's the Message-ID of another message in this
newsgroup.

LOL, LOL, LOL. Duck the question again! I suggest you and the choir
pop off to Google and see what you can come up with.
--
Should I begin ART?
Vote: <http://hiv-positive.freehostia.com/vote/>

On Mon, 21 May 2007 23:17:56 +0100, "HIV Positive"
<hiv.positive@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't preach HIV=AIDS=Death. If you want to make some simplistic
commentary, denialism=death is closer to what I feel.

Bullshit. He believed the lies, just like David Pasquarelli and the
consequence was that he developed AIDS, a lethal infection and he
fucking died.

That would be marvelous.

Not at all. Are you claiming to be immortal??

You're in danger with the denialism. You are a potential danger to
others who believe that bullshit. And it's not incomprehensible that
you're just a follower. In this case, possibly to an early grave.

Not a church, dear. It's based on evidence.

Denialists--including you--have NEVER come up with a reason for why
people die of AIDS nor any data to support the few flaky theories they
have thrown around (e.g., "drugs cause AIDS" - what a load of shit.)

Not really. The Kenyan cohort of exposed but persistently uninfected
women were among sex workers. I made an error there--they weren't
long-term non progressors.

Nice.

Fuck you. Any time I present evidence, you ignore it. Then you trot
off to the next question, leaving the demolition of your horseshit
behind.

You have done that time and again. So why the hell should I bother?

And fear or not, I figure you'll probably be dead fairly soon anyway.
I'd rather exert my energies on people who want to stay alive and well
and aren't bamboozled by denialist bullshit.

George M. Carter

"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Medical politics 101. Ignore the ones who can't cure anything.

I know you aids zealots like us to think in a vacuum, but any moron looking
at your friends history in cancer would see the game
http://www.whale.to/a/cancer_c.html

in essence, suppress all the non-allopathic/drug cures and force everyone
through ignorance to take chemo.

Why would anyone believe you with aids with that skeleton in your cupboard

same with heart disease

same with alzheimers

same with arthritis

and the piece de resistance is vaccination

killed millions with smallpox vaccine

get the picture?


Another great lie. http://www.whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html

and such an easy one to shaft. Do you think cutting pus from a calf or arm
of a smallpox victim into babies arms is going to do anything but kill or
spread disease?

you can read the 30 or so books on smallpox vaccination
http://www.whale.to/vaccines/smallpox14.html

I wont hold my breath

just one on Leicester http://www.whale.to/a/biggs.html is enough to do the
trick, they had 2,000 LESS BABY DEATHS in their non-vaccination years

go figure

I spend months on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Whaleto

so fact, not tin hat