Not yet noted by people with public health expertise...
The phenomenon of people doing the strategy
get tested together before you have sex.

Together you get the standard tests
.. sexually transmittable infections,
.. acquired immune deficiency syndrome human immunodeficiency virus,
.. hepatitis B, hepatitis A, hepatitis C
and vaccinated for hepatitis B and vaccinated for hepatitis A.

.. blood
.. throat pharyngeal
.. urethral
.. anal


A few clinicians at Darmouth College Health Services have mentioned same sex
and heterosexual students have come in for testing together saying
we haven't had sex yet and want to know before rather than afterward
if we have any sexually transmittable infections.




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Don Saklad wrote:

And just what makes you think it has not been noted? Most public health folks,
and HIV/AIDS educators, I know have been talking about this for years.
--
Larry D. Farrell, Ph.D.
Professor of Microbiology
Idaho State University

Please give an example or examples!....

Read what I wrote!

Don Saklad wrote:

--
Larry D. Farrell, Ph.D.
Professor of Microbiology
Idaho State University

1. Give an example or examples of the public health folks
who have been talking about the strategy...
get tested together before you have sex

2a. What are their observations about the strategy?...
get tested together before you have sex.

b. Give any citations for their observations that have been
written up...





Not yet noted by people with public health expertise...
The phenomenon of people doing the strategy
get tested together before you have sex.

Together you get the standard tests
.. sexually transmittable infections,
.. acquired immune deficiency syndrome human immunodeficiency virus,
.. hepatitis B, hepatitis A, hepatitis C
and vaccinated for hepatitis B and vaccinated for hepatitis A.

.. blood
.. throat pharyngeal
.. urethral
.. anal


A few clinicians at Darmouth College Health Services have mentioned same sex
and heterosexual students have come in for testing together saying
we haven't had sex yet and want to know before rather than afterward
if we have any sexually transmittable infections.




Collaborative WebLog
The strategy. Get tested together before you have sex.
http://NotB4WeKnow.blog-city.com/
http://NotB4WeKnow.EditThisPage.com

Don Saklad wrote:

This whole exchange is absolutely typical of your entire history in this
newsgroup. You charge in here periodically, trumpeting your mantra about testing
together before initiating a new relationship as if it was something new under
the sun. Most people ignore you (which I intend to do in the future) but those
who respond are challenged to produce evidence of something that they did not
claim and when they finally blow you off, you claim victory of some sort and
charge off into the sunset again, only to surface with the same tired material
sometime in the future.

READ what I wrote!! I SAID SPECIFICALLY that the public health people and the
HIV/AIDS educators I KNOW have been talking about this whole issue for years. I
have been teaching an AIDS class on campus for 16 years and have been stating
that couples contemplating a new sexual relationship should be tested together
and share their results before moving beyond safer sex practices since the
beginning of that period. So have other people that I KNOW who do any sort of
HIV/AIDS education. Obviously, to anyone who has the attention span greater than
that of the average amoeba, that means people in this area, not people who
working on a national or international scale and trying to dictate policy to the
world. Other posters in this group have said the same thing to you in the past,
but you seem to have conveniently forgotten all that.

I will also note that there have been publications that address this issue in the
way that you claim they haven't. No, I don't intend to waste any more time on
you by citing them for you. If you were interested at all, you would have
already looked them up and would be aware of them. If you want to make youself
look less stupid than you already have, I suggest you do so.


--
Larry D. Farrell, Ph.D.
Professor of Microbiology
Idaho State University

The strategy is getting tested together before having sex.

Getting tested after having sex is not the strategy. The strategy
addresses the difficulty human beings have practicing so called
safer sex practices and attempting to use condoms.

This statement is not in any way the strategy:
Couples do not always agree on what are so called safer sex
practices. Especially, when one partner finds another sexual
opportunity other than their current sex partner. Having multiple
partners are not considered to be so called safer sex practices.

People do not use so called safer sex practices and condoms every
single time. That kind of diligence is not humanly possible.

That difference between the strategy and so called safer sex practices
is important.

Distinguish the strategy from so called safer sex practices.

Another misc.health aids correspondent mentioned that syndicated
columnist Ann Landers wrote get tested together before sex.

Among colleagues and in literature searching nothing else turned up
yet other than spurious claims that the phenomenon of people doing the
strategy have been observed by public health officials, but the claims
do not pan out when examined.

As in this case, it was not the exact same notion... the strategy:
get tested together before you have sex.




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I have no disagreement with anyone discussing this topic.

But can you refer me to any documentation that is a transcript
of those conversations, or a summary of their discussions, or
a summary of the idea of couples getting tested before they
have their first sexual encounters.


Then I apologize for any claims I might have made about it
being a new idea.


Perhaps I stated my interest in the wrong way or wrong
language, etc. But my real interest is only in whether
or not any of these discussions, regardless of their
claims, is to know if their claims are available in any
readable format.

I don't want to challenge anybody's claims, just find
some written material about this subject.


I am not disputing that they had those discussions. Do you know
of any place where those discussions became written words, either
in transcripts or public health documents, brochures, pamphlets,
books, web pages, etc?

Is any of that course material online or in a written form
that you can send to me?


I think its fine that people at all levels are discussing the
problem of STD transmission and cure. I'm only interested in
references to these discussions have been transcribed to written
words on paper or on the web. Can you refer me to documents of
this sort?


Its possible I forgot what other posters have said, but would
still be interested in any documentation that they might have
referred me to. Could you send me a post or two where someone
made a reference to such documentation?


Please send me information about where I can find those
publications.

Thanks in advance.


Ok. Could you pass this message along to someone who
knows where I can find those documents?


I have not been able to find them. That's why I'm asking
these questions in this specialized forum. Someone here must
know about these documents.


Unfortunately, I have to agree with your remark about me
being stupid in this area. I have not been able to find
a single document about this topic.

Is there someone in public health documentation that you
can refer me to in order to find these documents?

Thanks for any assistance.