http://www.duesberg.com/quiz.html

A multibillion $ Quiz:
Is AIDS a viral or a chemical epidemic?

Peter Duesberg


"AIDS fails all 8 predictions of viral disease or epidemic including
Koch’s postulates. Thus AIDS is not a viral disease or epidemic."

On Feb 22, 10:27 pm, quintal <quin...@francom.esoterisme> wrote:
Why must we continue to ignore the obvious facts?
1. Bechamp and Enderlein proved that the germ theory of disease and
contagion was false by 1900.

2. If Koch did not have a syringe, he would have failed to come close
to proving his hypothesis. Their laboratory tricks are more like the
parlor tricks of a magician.

3. The government mandated medical monopoly began around 1900. You
can't beat a politician and no scientist can lie like a politician.

The germ theory of disease is a medical deceit. The hypodermic
syringe has killed more people than all the machine guns in all the
wars since 1850.

DrCee.

In article <1172202917.388603.151270@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups .com>,
<drceephd@insightbb.com> wrote:
Of course, they did nothing of the sort.

Dear old not-really-a-Dr Cee. You've been away a long time. Too bad
you didn't learn anything while you were gone.

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quintal <quintal@francom.esoterisme> wrote:

Is Duesberg still finding excuses not to accept a blood transfusion
containing HIV?
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Peter Bowditch wrote:
Wasn't his last excuse that it needed to be 'purified HIV' or something?
Without saying what he means by 'purified'.

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 03:27:35 +0000, quintal
<quintal@francom.esoterisme> wrote:

Petey! You stupid motherfucker. Here's the answer: A retrovirus.

If drugs caused AIDS, there'd be a LOT more dead straight drug users.
If drugs caused AIDS, the pandemic would have started in the 60s.

Petey is dumber than a fucking bag of hammers.

On 22 Feb 2007 19:55:17 -0800, drceephd@insightbb.com wrote:

I realize these newsgroups have more to do about understanding
abnormal psychology than anything useful.

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:31:39 +0100, JohnDoe <dont@spam.me> wrote:

No, that was the idiots at the "Perth Group".

Denialists seem quite capable of wrapping their minds simultaneously
around the idea that HIV doesn't exist and it does (according to
Duesberg) but doesn't cause AIDS. They'll bounce between the two like
the clapper in the cracked bell jar.

George M. Carter

<drceephd@insightbb.com> wrote in message
Prescription drug deaths skyrocket 68 percent over five years as Americans swallow more pills
Thursday, February 22, 2007 by: M.T. Whitney

(NewsTarget) Poisoning from prescription drugs has risen to become the second-largest cause of
unintentional deaths in the United States, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control
and Prevention.
In its Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, researchers found that deaths from prescription
drugs rose from 4.4 per 100,000 people in 1999 to 7.1 per 100,000 in 2004.

This increase represents a jump from 11,000 people to almost 20,000 in the span of five years.

Among the 20,000 that died, more than 8,500 - double the number from 1999 -- were from "other
and unspecified drugs."

Psychotherapeutic drugs, like antidepressants and sedatives, nearly doubled from 671 deaths to
1,300.

Age-wise, the biggest jump was among people aged 15 to 24, which the CDC report says relates to
recreational prescription drug use and a jump in cocaine use.

However, all other age groups except the elderly over-75 group saw increases of more than 35
percent on a per 100,000 scale in prescription drug deaths - including a nearly 90 percent jump
for the late Baby Boomer generation (ages 45 to 54) and a more than 90 percent for people aged
55 to 64. Mike Adams, a consumer health advocate and outspoken critic of pharmaceutical
companies, said that the drug industry is freely killing Americans.

"The entire drug industry, including the monopolistic drug giants and their FDA co-conspirator,
has clearly become the single greatest threat to the health and safety of the American people,"
Adams said. "And yet the FDA continues to push more drugs onto more Americans than ever before,
all while pretending these drugs are safe and effective when, in reality, they are neither.
Today's pharmaceutical industry is a massive fraud being perpetrated against the American
people, propped up by illegal trade practices, monopolistic behavior and outright criminal
behavior on the part of the FDA."

One caveat of the report is that the data used did not allow suicides to be separated from
other drug deaths, meaning there may be inherent errors because it was impossible to tell after
death the intent or reason for a person's death from prescription drugs.

"Some of these deaths might have been suicides, although not classified as such, and some
deaths categorized as suicides or of undetermined intent might have been unintentional and
therefore not analyzed in this study. The extent of this error is not known," the report
states.

However, statistics from the web site suicide.org state that in 2001, nearly 5,200 deaths came
from self-poisoning, which includes not only abusing prescription drugs but also overdosing on
over-the-counter drugs and ingesting lethal chemicals.


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"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote in message
Only if he is still sane.

" Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote:

Why would sanity matter? If HIV doesn't cause anything, there would be
no danger.
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GMCarter <fiar@verizon.net> wrote:

I love the clowns who say that antiretroviral drugs cause AIDS. They
base this on the fact that the usage of the drugs correlates highly
with the presence of AIDS, but don't seem to notice the temporal
order. In their universe plaster casts cause broken legs, small scars
on the lower right of the body cause appendicitis, paracetemol causes
headaches, fire engines cause house fires and car crashes cause
driving too fast.
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:29:01 GMT, Peter Bowditch
<myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote:

snip
LOL...this is more or less true--it started rather sadly with the use
of AZT, which indeed is a DNA chain terminator. That led to AZT causes
AIDS....(a la John Lauritsen's stupid book).

Sadly, this polemic missed so much. That many people died of AIDS in
the 80s before AZT was available. And indeed, though AZT terminates
DNA formation, it does not do so appreciably in the nucleus. It does
so in the retroviral RNA transcription til resistance sets in--but
then also unfortunately in the mitochondrial DNA (wherefore its
toxicities).

Indeed, HIV is characterized by a steady, persistent loss of CD4
count. Take a COMBINATION of these drugs with fairly well
characterized side effects and toxicities results in viral load going
down and CD4 count going up. The latter certainly not being the effect
if you think ARV causes AIDS.

Let alone recreational drugs. They don't cause T cells to go away.

The GENUINE problem was not lost on ACT UP: that Burroughs Wellcome
(now Glaxo Smith-Kline) decided to charge an unprecedented $10,000 per
patient per year. That pattern sadly has been followed ever since--and
indeed is destroying healthcare in the US and around the world. Not
just HIV--hepatitis C, cancers, diabetes and so forth.

George M. Carter

"Peter Bowditch" <myfirstname@ratbags.com> wrote in message > >

In article <15gtt29pehtsl8rbnus2nckstljheplv20@4ax.com>,
GMCarter <noway@nowherenospam.com> wrote:
Quintal is not Petey, as far as I know. They're fellow travellers in
some sense, though.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"The trouble with capitalism is capitalists. They're too damned
greedy." -- Herbert Hoover

" Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote:

And your point was?
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