During an 18 month trial with HAART the patients had MORE illness and LESS
T cells. HAART is really HAARTLESS!

*According to one Australian 'expert', the success of the protease
inhibitors is "the nail in the coffin" of dissident theories.

In this regard, the findings of a recent study are interesting. "To assess
the long-term effects of highly active anti-retroviral therapy, we
examined 3O4 anti-retroviral-experienced patients who were placed on HAART
for a period of 18 months.

The baseline CD4 count was 385 X lO6/1 and HIV RNA level was 3.2 log10
copies/ml. At baseline, 39 percent were classified as asymptomatic, 33
percent were symptomatic and 28 percent had an AIDS defining illness. The
HAART regimens included 3-5 anti-retroviral agents at least one of which
was a protease inhibitor.

After 18 months, 14 percent of the population remained asymptomatic, 10
percent of which had an undetectable viral load. 39 percent were
symptomatic and 47 percent of the population had an AIDS defining illness.
The average CD4 count after 18 months on HAART was 301.79 X 106/1 and HIV
RNA level of 3.2 log10 copies/ml.

Christina M. Ramirez and Michael S. Gottlieb. California Institute of
Technology. Long-term Highly Active Anti-Retroviral Therapy in an
Anti-Retroviral Experienced Population. Keystone Symposia HIV Vaccine
Development: Opportunities and Challenges and AIDS Pathogenesis. January
7-13th, 1999, Keystone, Colorado. www.newsfile.com

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:51:44 -0400, "PaulKing"
<aimulti@aimultimedia.com> wrote:

What's HAARTless is the MINDLESS distortion of data.

I'd say it is. When they're used appropriately. But given that people
who are sick take 2 or 3 or more REALLY REALLY TOXIC drugs that,
according to Duesberg, are the cause of AIDS, then why is it people
don't just drop dead immediately? Instead, MANY people do much better
for long periods of time.

Perhaps because they're driving down viral load?

Fine so far. Note that this group all had had previous treatment (as
opposed to people that had never used ARV.)

OK.

What this appears to indicate is that in an ARV experienced group of
people, the best HAART may do is slow disease progression somewhat.
What we have learned since then is that the nadir CD4 count (the
lowest it has been) has an influence. Also, too many of my friends who
went through serial monotherapy or bitherapy have developed resistance
so by the time they start combination therapy, the impact is somewhat
blunted.

And lately, I have lost three dear friends to AIDS since last
November. Several other people I knew not so well have died. AIDS is
far from over. HAART/ARV is not the full answer.

That does NOT mean it is worthless. To the contrary. Many of my
friends that are alive and even the ones who died recently would ALL
have been dead in by 1994 had combination therapy not been developed.

What we need are
a) better, less toxic, less costly therapies;
b) good microbicides;
c) an EFFECTIVE therapeutic/preventive vaccine (not the outrageous and
stupid crap they're doing in Thailand);
d) better analysis of means to slow progression/manage side effects,
especially through the use of micronutrients, botanicals, etc.

Note that this is an abstract, not a journal article, so information
is somewhat limited. It appears that the full abstract is not
published indicates to me that someone is lying to support their
agenda, given the penchant I have seen for denialists to do this.
Without the full abstract, a distorted misinterpretation is more than
likely. Without a more comprehensive review of the literature, a
skewed concept remains.

George M .Carter

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, GMCarter wrote:

My own small efforts: I'm sure I've got others tucked away in google.

Since these arguments are old, why don't we use old refutations?

http://makeashorterlink.com/?N20526308

Cheers

Bennett

Nick a friend of mine invented the concept of replacing long URL's with
short ones his site is http://tinyurl.com/ and it makes for shorter URLS in
that the name is shorter then the copycat site you are using. and TinyURL
has been up and running reliably for years, just a suggestion.

Gary Stein

"Nick Bennett" <njb35@cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:Pine.SOL.4.58.0404132045220.8211@orange.csi.c am.ac.uk...

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004, Gary Stein wrote:

Yeah, I went there first and it broke the website )

Not sure what bit of the URL caused the problem... I first heard of
makeashorterlink, and then found tinyurl more recently. Maybe he could
use my problem as a trouble-shooter?

Bennett

On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:49:07 +0100, Nick Bennett <njb35@cam.ac.uk>
wrote:

Lovely!! Ta!

George