Why don't you have unprotected anal sex with multiple HIV negative
partners (making very sure that they ejaculate into you), have repeated
blood transfusions with HIV negative blood, and take massive amounts of
every drug you can find (being careful to see they don't have HIV in
them first). If you're right about AIDS, you won't get it.

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:57:56 +1200, Uiopp <uislad@faaa.co.nz> wrote:

I HAVE had many risk exposures, particularly in the 80s. I used to do
drugs. Plenty. I'm gay. I used to shoot heroin and shared needles
(though I cleaned them with alcohol). And so I lived, worked and knew
many people from all walks of life, all sexual orientations and many
who did drugs. I still work with people who do drugs, etc.

And from a perspective of 30 years, I can tell you, the only friends
who died of AIDS had HIV. Some died of drug overdoses. Some died of
cancer (my brother most recently). But these are not the same as AIDS.
These are not the same as the diseases that killed so many of my
friends that came about because their CD4 count dropped to zero or
near there. And many people who died never did many drugs or any at
all.

Drugs don't cause CD4 counts to drop to zero. Nor does receptive anal
intercourse. Nor do blood transfusions. But those all can be vectors
for HIV. Which exists. And which causes AIDS.

You can believe whatever stupid delusions you like!

George M. Carter

"I used to shoot heroin'

Now we know why you have immune suppression. You used a known immune
suppressant and therefore paid the price. The cause of your problems is
heroin NOT so called 'HIV'.

Face the truth like a man.

"Drugs don't cause CD4 counts to drop to zero."

Even you can't possibly believe that nonsense. Read any medical book and
check out Benzene and Immune Suppression.

George use your brain for a change and stop defending a hypothesis you
know in your heart to be a myth.

In article <1qhve017p0u0m7fin9k5i2odqms1f8vq51@4ax.com>,
GMCarter <fiar@verizon.net> wrote:

[snip]

I'm touched by your response, in a sense, although simply behaving in a
risky way is not precisely the equivalent of deliberately setting out to
test whether a given behaviour will kill you, your suggestion to me.

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:44:30 GMT, GMCarter <fiar@verizon.net> wrote:

Mr. Carter's self-effacing confessions as a HIV-free heroin-shooting
homosexual seminal recepticle in New York City throughout
the decades in question seems to make a point, whatever
point that might be.

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:20:39 -0400, "PaulKing"
<aimulti@aimultimedia.com> wrote:

LOL. I don't have immune suppression.

I'm not HIV+ (at least last I checked) and it has been 15 years since
I did heroin. If I have become HIV infected, any immune suppression
that might arise will NOT be due to heroin use.

Neither Heroin nor any drug I know of causes CD4 count depletion to
zero even after the drug is stopped.

If you have evidence to the contrary, go right ahead.

George M. Carter

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:17:47 -0700, redrum1@alltel.net wrote:

snip..>
Frod! You're not dead. How sweet.

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:24:32 -0400, "PaulKing"
<aimulti@aimultimedia.com> wrote:


Yeah, benzene is a hot new drug on the party circuit scene...

"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:fvl3f0tbpt7u254ebdelht41r272npooat@4ax.com...
Oh my gawd you used the F word, I thought it had been permanently banned
from MHA.

Gary Stein

"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:71m3f0ti9rpobvhre3ek2un7pft7ggjvgi@4ax.com...
be a law against it.......

Gary Stein

"Yeah all those sex mad hetro's are snorting benzene like mad, there ought
to be a law against it.......'

No. They are rubbing it into their penis with great vigor. Condoms are
made with large quantities of Benzene.

You are great at putting your foot into your mount due to a total lack of
knowledge of the subject.

Thanks.

BENZENE, LUBRICANTS AND AIDS - pt1

By Stephen Byrnes

Explore! January 1997


In the search for the causes of AIDS in the Western world (1) many agents
have been proposed: HIV, a retrovirus, chronic consumption of drugs such
as cocaine, amyl nitrates (poppers), and AZT, as well as other
immunosuppressive drugs prophylactically prescribed for HIV "infection,"
(2) multiple, repeated venereal diseases, leading to immune collapse (3),
and radiation exposure (4). Syphillis (5), other viral pathogens such as
HHV6 (6), a herpes virus, parasitic infections (7), and contaminated
Factor VIII (8), a clotting agent added to the transfused blood given to
hemophiliacs, have also been proposed.

Some of these theories have been discarded as more research was done on
them, e.g., the syphillis theory (9). As for the others, the "drug-AIDS"
hypothesis, fervently espoused and documented by such notables as Peter
Duesberg provides a succinct explanation of many cases of AIDS, especially
in light of the known toxicity of recreational drugs and DNA
chain-terminating nucleosides like AZT and ddI (10) , and contaminated
Factor VIII can certainly explain "AIDS," or severe immune suppression, in
hemophiliacs (11). As for the others, they suffer from a lack of hard or
convincing evidence. Certainly, however, repeated bouts of V.D. don't help
the immune system remain stable or strong and antiparasitic herbal
protocols have appeared to dramatically help some immune compromised
individuals.(12)

The problem with AIDS causation is that it is not only one thing all of
the time: many factors can contribute to immunosuppression. Finding out
which ones are in play for a particular individual depends on the
individual and recovery for that individual depends on the individual's
condition.

The majority of the medical and scientific community, of course, denies
all of this in favor of a single cause: the HIV retrovirus. This
tunnelvision with regards to AIDS causation and "treatment" has left the
world with a lot of dead people. Announced to be the "probable cause of
AIDS" by Robert Gallo at a government press conference in 1984, HIV has
been the one and only thing put forward by the bulk of scientists and,
despite its propagation by them and the media, falls woefully short as a
satisfactory explanation:

1. Almost 15 years after its discovery, no scientist has been able to
explain how HIV causes AIDS. The latest theory put forward, the so-called
"Viral Load" hypothesis, has been shown to be a fantasy by several
authorities (13).
2. Why is it that thousands of people have AIDS without HIV? (14)
3. If HIV is transmitted sexually and is highly contagious, why hasn't
AIDS spread into the heterosexual population? (15)
4. If HIV is a pathogenic virus, why does it not produce the same diseases
in the people who are infected by it? (16)
5. If HIV is a disease causing retrovirus, why does it fail all the
criteria of a pathogenic agent as defined by Koch's Postulates, the
historical "acid test" for proving whether or not a bacteria or virus
directly causes a given disease? (17) This is not meant to be a complete
analysis of the flawed HIV hypothesis, just the main points.

There is another cause, however, that is proposed here. This cause
appeared just months before the first cases of Kaposi's sarcoma and
pneumocystis pneumonia, two of the "banner" AIDS diseases, appeared in
some gay men in the major U.S. metropolitan areas in the late '70's. This
cause is a chemical toxin, is still with us today, and contributes to the
plight of many: it is benzene (and its chemical derivatives) and it was,
and is, found in sexual lubricants, a product almost exclusively used by
the gay community.

What is Benzene?

Benzene is a chemical solvent that was developed by chemist Michael
Faraday in the early 1800's (18). Since it is cheap to manufacture, and
since it is such an effective solvent, it was, and is, routinely used in
manufacturing, being added to glues, paint thinners, rubber cement,
varnish and shellac removers, various petroleum products, and gasoline.

The chemical structure of benzene is C6H6 and early on it was identified
as being an incredibly toxic substance. Workers in the various industries
where benzene was used were, over time due to repeated, chronic exposure,
severely anemic and many developed leukemia as well as permanent bone
marrow damage (19). Because of its known dangers, worker exposure to
benzene is now strictly regulated by the E.P.A. (20) However, since
benzene is such a useful solvent, and because it is so inexpensive, it is
still widely in use despite the hazards.

The effects of benzene on the human system are as follows: "Confirmed
human carcinogen producing myeloid leukemia, Hodgkin's disease, and
lymphomas by inhalation. A human poison by inhalation*.*.*.skin contact,
intraperitoneal, intravenous, and possibly other routes. A severe eye and
moderate skin irritant. . . blood changes, increased body
temperature.*.*.Mutation data reported. . . .The bone marrow may be
[damaged],*.*.*.the changes reflected in the peripheral blood. Anemia,
leucopenia, macrocytosis,*.*.*.thrombocytopenia may be present. . .
Benzene has a definite cumulative action*.*.*.*. In chronic poisoning the
onset is slow, with the symptoms vague: fatigue, headache, dizziness,
nausea and loss of appetite, loss of weight, and weakness are common
complaints [emphasis mine]. There is great individual variation in the
signs and symptoms of chronic benzene poisoning." (21)

Benzene belongs to the chemical family known as aromatic hydrocarbons, the
other members, and their uses, are:

NAPTHALENE: The main constituent in mothballs and employed in the
production of dyes and synthetic resins. It is also used for industrial
lubricants, explosives, fungicides, and as a solvent and preservative.
ANILINE: Related to both benzene and ammonia, it is used to make a wide
variety of organic chemical compounds including pharmaceuticals,
photographic chemicals, and dye intermediates.
PHENOL: Chiefly manufactured from benzene, its chief uses are in the
manufacturing of plastics, dyes, and disinfectants.
HYDROQUINONE: Manufactured by oxidizing aniline, it is used extensively as
a photographic developer and as a food antioxidant.

The other aromatic hydrocarbons are xylene and toluene. The effects of the
hydrocarbons are similar: they accumulate in, and damage, the bone marrow
causing anemia and depressed immune function. A related compound, though
not a hydrocarbon, is benzoic acid, a.k.a., sodium benzoate,
methylparaben, and propylparaben (22). We will return to this compound a
bit later in the paper.

Cases of Benzene Contamination

There have been several instances in recent history where benzene, or one
of its derivatives, has contaminated a food or has been an ingredient in a
pharmaceutical product. All of these conditions were, at first, thought to
have been infectious and either virally or bacterially caused. These
instances are: (1) American pellagra, (2) Toxic Oil Syndrome, (3) Chronic
Fatigue Syndrome, (4) SMON, and (5) EMS (eosinophilia myalgia syndrome).
Intravenous drug use (IVDU) also figures into the benzene picture. Let us
now look at these occurrences, paying specific attention to the physical
conditions these contaminations brought about.

American pellagra was a disease that hit the southern United States during
1900-1950 and claimed tens of thousands of lives, as well as affected
about 250,000 people. Outbreaks of pellagra had occured before in other
countries but American pellagra was slightly different: while all had
niacin deficiency at the heart of the condition, the American problem was
exacerbated by the use of new bleaching and degerminating procedures for
corn and wheat which not only stripped the grain of its nutrients but also
added into it various chemical residues, including pesticides, like
hexachlorobenzene, to keep the flour free from bug infestation. It is for
this reason that pellagra continued to occur after the niacin deficiency
was addressed (23).

Pellagra was thought to have been an infectious condition, despite
overwhelming proof against that notion. It produced a wide range of
effects such as dementia, fevers, rashes, skin lesions, opportunistic
infections, fatigue, lymphadenopathy, pneumonia, retinitis, night sweats,
and diarrhea, among others (24).

Toxic Oil Syndrome (TOS) occured in Madrid, Spain in 1981 where there was
a localized outbreak of immune suppression among thousands of people. At
first, health authorities suspected a viral cause since the affected were
family members, friends, or acquantances. On closer inspection, however,
the source of the trouble was a particular brand of olive oil, sold only
in Madrid, that had been "cut" with canola oil. The canola oil had been
"denatured" (i.e., had its fatty content removed or reduced) and had been
contaminated in the denaturing process with 2% aniline that resulted in
fatty acid anilides (e.g., oleylanilide) and structural contaminants (e.g.
p-benzoquinoline) (25). In short, the victims of TOS became ill from
ingesting benzene-contaminated olive oil.

The symptoms of this condition were virtually identical to American
pellagra: immunosuppression, fever, chills, sweats, rashes, eosinophilia,
muscle wasting, cough, dyspnea, muscle cramps, dry eyes and mouth, skin
lesions, dementia, peripheral neuropathy, pneumonia, chronic hepatitis,
lymph swelling, and opportunistic infections (26). Additionally, cellular
and immunological abnormalities occurred: an inversion of CD4/CD8 cell
ratios, production of autoantibodies to collagen DNA, and reduced T and B
cellular responses to mitogens. (27) It was proposed that the autoantibody
production was the result of an increase in the CD4/CD8 T cell ratios.
(28)

Chronic Fatigue Syndrome is a relatively new condition that appeared in
America and Europe at about the same time as AIDS. Dubbed the "Yuppie Flu"
for its tendency to strike only young urbanites, it is characterized by
the same symptoms as pellagra and TOS. For several years the American
Centers for Disease Control tried, unsuccessfully, to blame the condition
on various pathogens, most notably the Epstein-Barr virus. When CFS showed
up, however, in many people with no trace of this virus, the theory had to
be abandoned. At present, the CDC asserts that CFS has no known, definite
cause and that it is not infectious.

The majority of CFS sufferers are women (29) and the source of the
condition most probably lies in the yuppie liking for certain "denatured"
foods which were introduced to the marketplace in the 80's: decaffeinated
and sugar free drinks, "lite", fat free, and salt free foods, for example.
Benzoic acid figures largely in the syndrome, being added as a
preservative into diet colas and many of the altered foods. Benzene also
figured directly as it had contaminated the popular yuppie drink, Perrier
(30).

Our next occurence is Japan where an outbreak of immune suppression
occured between 1955 to 1978 called SMON (subacute myelo optico
neuropathy). Like our preceeding examples, SMON was thought to have been
caused by a virus but, after 20 years and many deaths, was traced to a
prescription drug called clioquinol, a medication for stomach upset.
Clioquinol contained 8-hydroxy-quinoline, a benzene derivative. This drug
was prescribed for stomach upset but actually caused it, requiring higher
and higher doses, thus insuring more eposure to the toxin. The symptoms
were: abdominal pain, fever, rash, diarrhea, neuropathy, weight loss, skin
lesions, retinitis leading to blindness, fatigue, paralysis, and
pneumonia. (31) These symptoms are, of course, almost the same as the
other conditions looked at.

It just so happens that clioquinol was given to emigrating Hatians
arriving in the U.S.A. in the early 80's for parasitic infections and,
currently, is heavily marketed in Zaire and Angola (32). As some readers
may remember, Haitians were singled out by the CDC as being one of the
original "AIDS risk groups" in the early 80's. It is quite reasonable to
conclude, however, that the "AIDS" suffered by some Haitians was nothing
more than benzene poisoning caused by clioquinol ingestion.

EMS was the result of benzene derivatives contaminating tryptophan
supplements which many people in the USA, Italy, Germany, and the UK took.
The episode in the late 80's led to the immediate recall and subsequent
ban on all tryptophan supplements in the USA. It was finally determiend
that the source of the problem was a bad batch of tryptophan that was
manufactured in Japan. The bacterial strain used to produce the amino acid
was tainted and instead produced toxins related to the benzene ring
(C6H6). This is further borne out by the fact that various studies
indicated that the symptoms of EMS were identical to those of CFS (33).

Chronic, intravenous drug use (IVDU) produces almost the same sicknesses
defined as "AIDS" which match the other conditions just discussed (33a).
While many drugs have not been studied for their chemical contents and
effects on the body, it is known that the three most implicated in immune
suppression, cocaine, heroin, and crystal methamphetamine, are
manufactured with coal tar derivatives like kerosene which has a high
amount of benzene in it. (34)

Illicit drugs are also routinely prepared with acetone (35), a toxic
substance which produces the following side effects: changes in
carbohydrate metabolism, nasal effects, conjunctiva irritation, nausea,
vomiting, muscle weakness, kidney damage, and various metabolic and
biochemical changes (36).

The other recreational drug historically implicated in AIDS due to its
high use among some parts of the gay community, "poppers", or amyl and
butyl nitrates, may contain trace amounts of benzene in them (37).
Regardless, they are potent oxidizing agents and carcinogenic. It is
interesting to note that Kaposi's sarcoma seems only to affect gay men and
the KS that some gay men get is quite different from classical KS. In
classic KS, the skin lesions appear on the lower parts of the body and the
tumors are pretty benign and permanent. In gay men who have the condition,
the lesions show up all over the body, appear and disappear, and, when
present in the lungs, are lethal. It should be obvious that the "KS" some
gay men suffer from is not the KS documented in the earlier medical
literature. The "gay KS" is, it appears, toxin induced just as the skin
lesions of the other conditions just discussed were. In keeping with the
cumulative effect of benzene and its derivatives, it takes a few years of
nitrite use for "KS" to develop (38).

Pt 2

Proof that benzene is causing the "KS" lesions is seen in their
successful treatment with a substance called DNCB, a photographic
developing agent which contains small amounts of benzene. In demonstration
of the homeopathic Law of Similars, the minute amounts of benzene in DNCB
stimulate an immune response against the toxin within the body, normalize
and increase CD4/ CD8 counts (39), and resolve the lesions. The other
successful treatment for the skin lesions is estrogen therapy, developed
and discovered by Project AIDS International in Los Angeles. For some
unknown reason, estrogen helps to inhibit and protect the body from
benzene and its effects (40).

And what of benzoic acid (C7H6O2)? Way back in 1906 Harvey Wiley, the
founder of the FDA, conducted experiments on people (with permission)
trying to determine the harmful effects, if any, of this compound on
humans. At the time, a major food company wanted to add the chemical to
various canned products to insure food color and freshness and Dr. Wiley
was concerned about possible adverse effects. Upon repeated introduction
of small, concentrated amounts of benzoate into his test subjects several
adverse side effects were noted after three weeks: night sweats, fever,
muscle loss, anorexia, lymph swelling, etc.. The same symtoms of AIDS,
TOS, SMON, CFS, illicit drug use, and other benzene-induced conditions.

Dr. Wiley testified before congress that the use of benzoic acid, boric
acid, salicylates, and cinnamic aldehyde (found in "hot" lubricants) would
be disastrous and even succeeded in banning them for a few years.
Unfortunately, due to economic and political pressures from food and
petrochemical companies, Dr. Wiley was overruled and expelled from the
very organization he founded (41).

Of particular interest here is Dr. Wiley's ominous prediction in his book
that serious epidemics arising from the use of these chemicals would occur
in the future. Today, we have benzoic acid (or sodium benzoate, benzoate
of soda, methylparaben, propylparaben, or paraben) added to all sorts of
foods and drinks as a preservative. It is also found in another product
almost exclusively used by the gay community: lubricants.

The Beginning of the End

While it is true that the first cases of AIDS, called GRID back then, were
reported to the CDC in 1981 by Dr. Michael Gottlieb, the first cases of KS
and AIDS were seen in the gay community beginning in 1978 (42) and the
mysterious new disease seemed to only strike two groups of people: bottoms
(passive in anal intercourse), and "fistees" (those who liked to be
fisted, or have someone's fist and arm anally inserted into them) (43).
Exclusive tops were not affected, unless they were heavy drug users. Those
with a preference for oral sex, giving or receiving, may have gotten other
venereal ailments, but they did not catch the new disease. What was it
that bottoms and fistees had in common, besides poppers to relax the
smooth muscles of the anus? Lubricant and lots of it if they were
promiscuous.

Were new lubricants introduced to the gay community in 1978? Previously,
gay men had used KY jelly, Crisco, or baby oil for anal sex but in 1978
there were new lubricants introduced and heavily marketed to the gay
community, viz., Lube and Performance, as advertisements in back issues of
gay periodicals show. As a matter of fact, 1978 marked the dawn of
"special" lubricants, both "hot" and regular, formulated for and used by
gay men. They were all oil-based and contained very high amounts of
acetone and benzoic acid in them (44). The oils were, like the bad olive
oil in Madrid, "denatured." Curiously, as these lubricants became
available to gay men in other countries, via mail order, AIDS began to
appear in those places. There were a few instances where gay men from
other countries developed AIDS-like symptoms before the lubricants went
overseas, but in each of these instances, the victims had spent time in
the United States just before returning to their native ascountries,
suggesting exposure to the toxin while in the U.S.A. (45)

Effects of Benzene on the Body

CHART OF SYMPTOM COMPARISON
*
SYMPTOMS AIDS TOS CFS EMS SMON PELLAGRA
*
Prolonged fever yes yes yes yes yes yes
Fatigue yes yes yes yes yes yes
Rash yes yes yes yes yes yes
Cough/flu-like symptoms yes yes yes yes yes yes
Intestinal disorders yes yes yes yes yes yes
Lymphadenopathy yes yes yes ? yes yes
Pneumonias yes yes yes ? yes yes
Neuropathy yes yes yes yes yes yes
Scleroderma yes yes yes yes yes yes
Hepatitis yes yes yes yes yes yes
Diarrhea yes yes yes yes yes yes
Thrush/candida infection yes yes yes yes yes yes
Sweats yes yes yes yes yes yes
Wasting yes yes yes yes yes yes
T-cell abnormalities yes yes yes yes yes yes
Retinitis yes yes yes ? yes yes
Cutaneous skin lesions yes yes yes ? yes yes
Fibrosis yes yes yes yes yes yes
Inflammation yes yes yes yes yes yes
Insomnia yes yes yes yes yes yes
Headaches yes yes yes yes yes yes
CD4/CD8 inverted ratio yes yes yes yes yes ?
Internal lesions yes yes yes ? yes yes
Nerve degeneration yes yes yes ? yes yes
Dementia/memory loss yes yes yes yes yes yes
Myalgia yes yes yes yes yes yes
Secondary Infections yes yes yes yes yes yes

How did these dangerous chemicals find their way into the first AIDS
patients? Rectal absorption is estimated at being eight times more
efficient and direct than oral for rectally absorbed items bypass the
digestive tract and are directly absorbed via the mucous membranes into
the bloodstream.

As readers of this paper may know, lubricants are quite popular with the
gay community and are not, in general, used by heterosexuals. Certainly
the first "gay" lubricants were not used by straight people, hence the
"gayness" and "maleness" of AIDS. While there has been a trend away from
oil based lubricants, the water based ones have benzoic acid in them,
albeit in much smaller amounts than their oil-based cousins. Benzoic acid
goes under the names of methylparaben and propylparaben and is just as
toxic now as it was when Dr. Wiley experimented on it almost 100 years
ago.

Constituents of Lubricants

Lubricants are, in fact, chock full of toxic chemicals. The following is a
brief listing of ingredients commonly found in sexual lubricants and the
data on them are from two basic toxicological guides, The Hazardous
Chemicals Desk Reference (HC) and The Handbook of Poisoning (HOP). When
reading the following, the reader is urged to remember that rectal
absorption is eight times more efficient than oral.

Chemical & its Toxicity Profile/Bodily Reactions

Nonoxynol 9: Poison by intraperitoneal route. Mutation data reported. When
heated to decomposition, it emits acrid smoke and fumes (HC, p. 958).
Parrafin: Possible carcinogen with experimental tumorigenic data by
implant route. (HC, p. 982; HOP, p. 212).
Chlorhexidine: Mildly toxic by ingestion. Skin irritant. Mutation data
reported (HC, p. 167).
Lidocaine: Poison by ingestion and subcutaneous routes. Excitement,
hallucinations, distorted perceptions, changes in heart rate, and dyspnea.
Anaesthetic rapidly absorbed by mucous membranes. Excessive doses may
cause methemoglobinemia (HC, p. 439; HOP, p.341.)
Mineral oil/petrolatum: A human teratogen that causes testicular tumors in
the fetus. Inhalation of vapor or particles can cause pneumonia. Possibly
produces gastrointestinal tumors. Deposits accumulate in the lymphnodes
and dissolves and prevents the absorption of vitamin A from the intestines
(HC, p. 885; HOP. p. 206, 410.)
Polyethylene glycol: Moderately toxic. Eye irritant. Possible carcinogen
and flammable. Many glycols produce severe acidosis, central nervous
system damage, and congestion (HC, p. 1053; HOP, pp. 193-195.)
Sodium borate: A.K.A. borax. Toxic to all cells. Prolonged absorption
casues anorexia, vomiting, diarrhea, and anemia (HOP, p. 396).
Propylene glycol: Slightly toxic. Causes convulsions, mutations, and
surface EEG changes (HC, p. 1086).
Carboxymethylcellulose, hydroxymethylcellulose, polyscorbate 60: The first
of these compounds has been shown to cause cancer in animals. Used in
cosmetics, inhalation of these products could cause chemical pneumonitis.
Bodily implantation of these substances will cause foreign body [antibody]
reaction (HOP, p. 308).
Triethanolamine: Moderately toxic by ingestion. Liver and kidney damage
has been demonstrated in animals from chronic exposure. Possible
carcinogen (HC, p. 1273).
Methylparaben, propylparaben: Close chemical cousins of benzoic acid.
Poisonous and moderately toxic. An allergen. Causes dyspnea and allergic
dermatitis (HC. pp. 132, 695, 702).

Granted, high doses may be required to produce the effects listed for some
of these compounds but some, like mineral oil and petrolatum, are used in
high doses in lubricants already. Beyond that, what are the effects of
chronic, but low, exposure over time? How much overtime does the immune
system have to work to remove these unnatural substances from the body, if
they can be removed at all?

Their Excuse?

Project AIDS International, a medical research organization located in Los
Angeles, California, contacted some of the lubricant companies with this
information, and also lodged a complaint with the FDA, and were rebuffed.
Apparently, the excuse is that NO lubricant is labelled in such a way as
to imply rectal or anal placement; all the labels say something like "For
external use only." This is done to avoid extensive testing of the product
as a food substance by the FDA and to, effectively, circumvent the law.
Since no insertion is implied or stated, the companies cannot be held
responsible or liable for someone going ahead and doing so. You can't be
responsible if someone uses your product in a way you didn't tell them to.
(46)

Until they change, vegetable glycerine mixed with water makes a safe,
natural lubricant. One can also make a natural lubricant by heating 4
teaspoons of corn starch with 1 cup of water. Keep stirring. Eventually, a
slick gel will form. Refrigerate the mixture until ready for use. The only
lubricant on the market that appears to be safe for use is called Probe,
which contains few ingredients, no benzoates, and uses citrus seed extract
as a preservative.

Suggested Guidelines

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure: don't use lubricants or
lubricated condoms. The oil based ones have a much higher content of
toxins in them than the water based ones. Additionally, as studies done by
Project AIDS International show, lubricated condoms are routinely coated
with talc and silicon, both carcinogenic and immunosuppressive substances
when introduced into the body.

Denatured oils oxidize in the body and produce free radicals which are
known to harm the cellular systems of the body. (47) Further, benzene
appears to kill by decimating the blood bone marrow and by burning out the
endocrine system by causing hyperproduction of various hormones,
especially cortisone and cortisol (48). The hormonal blowout occurs as a
result of the severe inflammatory response that benzene generates from the
body. It is almost as if the entire aging process is speeded up a
hundred-fold and a person lives a lifetime in a few years. As most
clinicians who dealt with early persons with AIDS know, those that died
died horrible deaths due to immune system destruction caused by anemia and
leukocytopenia and looked like shriveled old men when they passed.

As for dietary guidelines, avoid any food product that says the following:
diet, fat free, salt free, decaffinated, defatted, "lite,"
polyunsaturated, or imitation as these "foods" are denatured foods. Avoid
cooking foods over charcoal as this produces benzopyrenes. Food is
supposed to have fat in it and solvents must be used to extract fat from
these foods by the manufacturers.

In terms of treatment, it is difficult to make blanket recommendations
since each person is different but, in general, if it can be determined
that the person's "AIDS" is caused by benzene poisoning (the Caffeine
Enzyme Saliva test should be employed here), treatment should mimic
successful protocols for the other bezene-induced conditions discussed
before. Toxic Oil Syndrome, EMS, and SMON, for example, were successfully
resolved with a purification diet, along with vitamin and mineral
supplementation (49) provided, of course, that the damage wrought by the
benzene was not so extensive as to have completely shut down the body's
endocrine and bone marrow systems. While it is always possible to halt
benzene's march of destruction in the body, it is quite difficult to
reverse what damage has already occured.

Natural therapies should focus on detoxifying the body and building up the
blood bone marrow, glandular, hepatic, and digestive systems, which will
have a beneficial effect on the immune system. Garlic, yellow dock, and
alfalfa supplements are recommended, for example, as well as ginseng, for
their alterative qualities and tonic effects on these systems (50). High
doses of vitamins C, E, and A , as well as the mineral selenium, are
recommended for their antioxidant effects (51), as well as a solid
antioxidant formula like New Life from Sophista-Care. In severe cases,
Project AIDS International recommends chelation therapy with
vitamin/mineral supplementation (52).

Systemic candidiasis, if present, must be dealt with quickly due to its
ability to exhaust the immune and adrenal systems with allergic reactions,
increased tendency to other infections, and interference with the
digestive function resulting in nutrient starvation.

Of course, immediately stop the ingestion of illicit drugs, if any, and
immediately halt the consumption of AZT, sulfa compounds, or any other
toxic "antiviral" HIV drug. These drugs, which do nothing but kill living
cells, have been rightly termed "AIDS by prescription" by Peter Duesberg
and other "AIDS dissidents."

Of equal importance is the treatment of the mind of the person who either
has "AIDS" or who has been diagnosed "HIV antibody positive," and the
psychological death sentence such a diagnosis engenders. It must be made
clear to these individuals that (a) they can recover, and (b) HIV is
irrelevant to AIDS and, in all probability, does not even exist (53). If a
person believes in their heart that there is no hope, then there is none.
Effective mental imaging techniques like neurolinguistic programming would
be of immense help here.

Stephen C. Byrnes Ph.D., D.N.T. is a Natural Therapist and Nutritionist in
Honolulu, HI. He is the author of Overcoming AIDS with Natural Medicine,
available from http://naturalhawaii.com/centaur.htm or www.1stbooks.com,
as well as several articles and papers which have appeared in Health
Freedom News, Vitality, Natural Health Reader, and Common Ground. See also
http://www.naturalhawaii.com/byrnes.htm

This paper is indebted to original research done by Project AIDS
International, 8033 Sunset Blvd., Ste. 2640, Los Angeles, CA. 90046.
Questions on this paper can be directed to them at (213) 660-3381 or to
the author.

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On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 03:21:00 GMT, "Gary Stein" <ge.stein@verizon.net>
wrote:

snip>>
I thought it had gone off and taken a bath in DNCB...

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 01:21:33 -0400, "PaulKing"
<aimulti@aimultimedia.com> wrote:

What evidence is there that occasional use of a condom causes AIDS???
Most people with HIV in the world don't have access to or use condoms.
The early epidemic in the 80s, no one was using condoms.

Condoms don't cause AIDS.

Well, gosh golly gee, show me the PROOF, the SINGLE PAPER that PROVES
wearing condoms causes AIDS and persistent, chronic depletion of CD4
cells!!

Have you PROVEN benzene exists? Do you KNOW how small it is?

George M. Carter

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 01:27:29 -0400, "PaulKing"
<aimulti@aimultimedia.com> wrote:

Wow is this ever horseshit.

DNCB is NOT a homeopathic preparation and its use in HIV infection has
NOTHING to do with homeopathy--to the contrary, patches were painted
on the skin to stimulate a delayed typed hypersensitivity response.
Not a bad idea intrinsically but clinically ineffective for HIV
disease.

And if anything, this is a MASSIVE dose of benzene.

This is a lovely if stark example of cognitive dissonance. (That's
"dissonance" not "dissidents" but rather psychotic denialism.)

George M. Carter

On Mon, 12 Jul 2004 01:26:32 -0400, "PaulKing"
<aimulti@aimultimedia.com> wrote:

Wow. You accept THIS paper as your PROOF that condoms cause AIDS?
Pretty pathetic.

What is Explore! ?

none of these cause a persistent, chronic decline in CD4 count. Not
even AZT. (Anemia, neutropenia--but not CD4+ lymphocytopenia).

Many people with AIDS do not have this case history. Next.

(3),
From what source? This is pretty peculiar. There ought to be a lot
more AIDS!

Duesberg is out of his flipping mind. AZT doesn't causes AIDS. Neither
do drugs. They CERTAINLY can make you sick. They can be fatal. But
they don't cause AIDS. If rec. drugs did, there would be a LOT more
dead straight people.

snip
Yep. It's ubiquitous. Right off the bat, you'd have to wonder why more
people who pump their own gas, fumes abounding full of benzene, aren't
coming down with AIDS. Or house painters.

Man, With the REAMS of evidence and data that show HIV exists and
causes AIDS--but then you embrace this nonsense based on NO data or
evidence whatsoever except some handwaving theorizing that is so
ridicuous, it is surprising that anyone would suggest it seriously.

Benzoic acid? Idiotic. AIDS would be everywhere. Hydroxyquinone?
Otherwise known as CoQ10 and has benefits, for example, in offsetting
cardiotoxicity. Poppers? No epidemiological correlation with AIDS.

Not good for you but NO evidence they cause AIDS.

George M. Carter

GMCarter wrote:
That would be The Itchy and Scratchy Show.

B/

In article <f6c57138b751ebbd1fe258a4957d28c8@localhost.talkab outhealthnetwork.com>,
PaulKing <aimulti@aimultimedia.com> wrote:
Based on the daily exposure time and the body surface area involved,
you should be more afraid of your undershorts' elastic waistband than
of condoms.

--
David Canzi "Do not let superstition inhibit your actions."
-- Jeane Dixon, horoscope for Virgo, May 17, 1990.