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Hi everybody,...
Below is some information about the
Gay Men's Health Summit eList.

Feel free to send it to people
you would like to invite to the discussion.

We currently have 432 members on the list.

The more voices contributing the better the discussion will be.
Ric Kasini Kadour
List Moderator


Gay Men's Health Summit eList
The Gay Men's Health Summit eList is
a moderated discussion group for emerging issues and trends
in the gay men's health movement.

Contributors regularly post articles important to
advocates,
health educators, and
service providers

or requests for information on particular topic or focus area.

Created at the Gay Men's Health Summit in Boulder, Colorado in
1999 by Ric Kasini Kadour and Mike Henry,
the GMHS eList exists to
foster dialogue
and information sharing
among those people who make up the gay men's health movement.


To Subscribe, send an email to
GayMensHealthSummit-subscribe yahoogroups.com

To learn more about the electronic discussion group, visit
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GayMensHealthSummit/

To learn about the National Gay Men's Health Summit,
a bi-annual meeting of the gay men's health movement, visit
http://www.gmhs2005.org

This site has information about
the 2005 meeting in Salt Lake City, including
summit handouts and
presentation notes
and the summit blog.

dsaklad@gnu.org wrote...
Hmm, aside from working out at the gym/sexclub to improve
their appearance and meet other muscular guys for anonymous
sex in the showers, the only concern I see gay men have for
their health is when they catch AIDS. Then they become
health fanatics, their desire to not look like a diseased
zombie leads them to spend a fortune on various snake-oil
dietary supplements.

The list moderator, Ric Kasini Kadour, reaffirmed his unwritten policy of
moderating the GMHS[Gay Men's Health Summit] discussion group on Yahoo, in
a conversation with me via telephone this very evening. He claims he tells
people at the conferences every year that it is his own list and not an
"official" list of the GMHS organization. Further, he reaffirmed an
unwritten or unstated policy that I have been personally familiar with for
the last several years, that he does infact censor any post providing a
dissenting scientific and alternative[uncomplementary] medical critique or
challenge to the 'HIV/AIDS' theory or model. I am a gay man [mis]diagnosed
socalled 'HIV' positive for over 15 years and a long-time gay and AIDS
activist involved in the AIDS Dissident movement for the last five or six
years. Further, the organizers and presenters of the "Gay Mens' Health
Summits Who Only Recognize The Views, Experiences of Gay Men Who Are AIDS
Apologists Or Not AIDS Dissidents" are dominated by those formerly or
presently employed by the AIDS Industry do not respect the diversity of
health care philosophy and practise of all gay men and censor abstracts
and workshop proposals of some gay men who are concerned about our
community's health and wellness and raise critical questions about the
'HIV' theory of immuno-deficiency. That is really sad that a gay or aids
organization or movement, which had to fight censorship for so long, would
engage in the same sort of immoral misconduct.


Kelly Jon Landis


VIRUSMYTH
http://forums.delphiforums.com/innocuous

KellyJonLandis wrote:

He probably "censors" nothing, since it's his group and his choice on
what to allow posted. That is, he's acting in the role of publisher.
Do you expect every letter to the editor sent to a newspaper to be
published?

You don't have a right to say anything you want anywhere you want,
(think "fire" in a theater) and there's plenty of dissenting/denialist
sites, including your own, where opinions can be expressed and even more
importantly, accessed freely.

B/

Brian,

Censorship of content is something different. If a publisher was claiming
to be private, it would be one thing, but the line is blurred quite a bit
with this list which has as it's name: Gay Mens' Health Summit, an entity
that claims to be a grass-roots lead collective organization and movement
of advocates, consumers of gay men's health. Intellectual integrity
requires he at least state his policy of moderation so that list members
know what information is being gate-kept from the list. Many persons who
may not agree with the dissenting scientific critique of the 'HIV/AIDS'
theory or model, nevertheless do not agree with this moderation and call
it content censorship. The analogy you offered of a newspaper having to
publish every letter-to-the-editor does not follow. If the newspaper
refused to publish any and all letters critiquing a certain position which
was critical of another position, and it was done in a respectful
intelligent manner, then yes, that would be censorship. When I moderate
dissident forums, I make my policy known. A post may not assume as a fact
without dispute, the alleged viral pathogenesis and progression of
'HIV=AIDS.' Furthermore, being a dissenting scientific forum, the position
in counter always assumes it's 'other side.' And finally, your laize faire
approach would be acceptable were this some intellectual exersize with no
life and love-affecting consequence. And so we must participate in
non-violent resistance to a multi-billion dollar medical and media
campaign which does not fully inform the consent or dissent of consumers
and citizens.


Kelly Jon Landis


V I R U S M Y T H
http://forums.delphiforums.com/innocuous

I can see why you have decided to grace us with your presence.
Your virusmyth discussion forum has had only one post in the last 7
days. It must get a bit lonely out there for you.

Try setting up another one, a new one, a better one at
http://gather.com that's more open to a greater variety of ideas than
the one at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gaymenshealthsummit

KellyJonLandis wrote:

(snip)

Oftentimes, I find the more one writes, the less is actually put forward.

You aren't being "censored." There's plenty of publically accessible
fora for you to write/speak in.

B/

Oh, my... well, you caught me: yes, you are correct; the truth is often
discarded, and in fact, lonely.

And yet, every day, we are gaining strength. Hallelujia! Thanks be to God!
The truth is marching on...

Healthfully and Hopefully,

Kelly Jon Landis

VIRUSMYTH
http://forums.delphiforums.com/innocuous

KellyJonLandis wrote:

Hmmmmm... who else posting simply throws out messages without any
references as to what's being posted, and without attributions?

Interesting.

B/

Please fix that link ! It didn't work
http://forums.delphiforums.com/innocuous

It's working. Try again. If you are visiting for the first time, you may
first come to an ad, but then scroll down and click on "NO THANKS" and it
will bring you to the forum home page.

It's good to see that virusmyth has a forum again. Of course it used to
be one of if not the premier free-speech forum on HIV/Aids. How long
has the new one been up?
Thanks for letting me know, "DavidT" - I'll be sure to spread the word
that virusmyth has a forum again!

DavidT wrote:

I just read a post from you, justifying your censorship of any
challenge to the mainstream model of so-called Aids by saying you don't
want your group to concentrate on HIV/Aids when it is a much more broad
discussion of gay health. Yet here you are advertising for more members
at misc.health.aids - obviusly fishing for more mainstream HIV>Aids
promoters, and you will of course block dissenters that try to join.
Doesn't quite ring true does it?
Who *do* you really work for?

James wrote:


B/

"Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message
come on, lets get some rope and string him up.

The "nerve" of some posters, LOL

Heck, that is one of my socks, never mind.