Isn't it interesting how Frod Show likes to throw around big phrases
he doesn't understand while stalking children in the local park, drunk
as a skunk?

Remember that ole tune, frodlet?

I'll be your mirror....

On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 21:17:24 -0700, redrum1@alltel.net wrote:

More like George M. Carter, Plaintiff.

On Thu, 09 Jun 2005 23:36:45 GMT, GMCarter <fiar@verizon.net> wrote:

How about this suffix to your name:

George M. Carter, Defendant

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 01:36:50 GMT, GMCarter <fiar@verizon.net> wrote:

Typical Carter histrionics, and rather pathetic.

Fact is, Carter's closet is stuffed full of ugly, decomposing
skeletons of his sociopathic, megalomaniacal and horrific past.

What next, Mr. Carter? Care to disclose your past as
a heroin addict as you have previously published here
and elsewhere?

How about your friendship and defense of Mr. Bruce Mirken
of the San Francisco AIDS Foundation who was arrested a
few years back by the Sacramento Police Department on
charges of child molestation?

How about your close encounters with the FDA over your
seemingly endless "nutritional supplement cure" scams?

Your employment and distributor activities with Arkopharma
France in the promotion and sale in the U.S. of SPV-30, an
immunosuppressive and unproven "treatment" for what
even you purported to be a disease of immune suppression?

And remember that psychiatrist that drew the bead on
you for your sociopathic activities on the intenet?

Only a sociopath of Carter's sorry ilk could live and thrive on
the knowledge that he has contributed to the early
death of many gay men who were HIV-positive and
vulnerable to Carter's treatment scams.

And there is SO much more ...

So, Mr. Carter, Plaintiff ... LET'S GO!

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:15:04 -0700, redrum1@alltel.net wrote:


Typical froldet histrionics, and rather pathetic.
of his sociopathic, megalomaniacal and horrific past.

What next, Mr. Shaw? Care to disclose your past as an alcoholic as you
have previously published here and elsewhere?

At least I am not ashamed of my past!

I know Bruce and the courts found him not guilty since he was set up.

LOL. I have NEVER claimed that any supplement, drug or intervention
cured anything.

By contrast, you claim DNCB cures AIDS, apparently.

I have never been an employee or distributor of Arkopharma's products.

I was happy to work with DAAIR and now with NYBC, both non-profit
organizations that make boxwood extract available.

Ah, there's no evidence that SPV-30 is "immunosuppressive" in humans.
The study by Pasteur Institute study showed some modest effect on
progression when it is used as a monotherapy. No problems arose from
its use.

While it's kind of you to give me all the credit for SPV-30's
introduction into the US, I had virtually nothing to do with that.
Some good friends of mine did a LOT more work in that area, including
a large, open-label study (with all the caveats associated with that).
It's efficacy is nominal but certainly, there were no signs of
toxicity.

LOL. Nope but I remember you being pretty sociopathic. Sorta like now.
Too bad. I thought maybe you'd grown up and calmed down or moved on to
something more useful in this short life.

I have no "treatments" and thus no "scams" to offer.

By contrast, you appear to believe DNCB is the cure for AIDS and hawk
that fiercely. Sorry I just don't think it's all that great.

And by contrast, as someone who has denigrated the value of
antiretroviral therapy, to the extent you have dissuaded people from
seeking proper treatment, you have caused suffering and death.

And you're the one who claimed to be a Lic. Ac. God knows how many
poor sods you stabbed willy nilly and tried to pass it off as
"treatment"!

Indeed. I still hold hope you may find peace in your heart but at this
point, seems pretty unlikely.

Carry on, Frodlet!

George M. Carter

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:34:19 GMT, GMCarter <fiar@verizon.net> wrote:

LOL, indeed!

A fucking outrageous lie, which is proven by the embarassments of
POZ magazine ads authored by The Liar Himself, Mr. George Carter.

Alas, an admission!

Mr. Carter was made fully aware that Boxwood extracts were NOTHING BUT
immunosuppressive steroids.

Carter continued to promote this steroidal therapy as a magical cure
for AIDS.

Murderer!

Murderer Carter cannot cite a single survivor from its use.

Dead, they are. All of them.

Liar. Carter was paid by Arkopharma to promote this failed and
deadly therapy - and Carter admitted as much!

Pure, unadulterated BULLSHIT.

THIS CRAP WAS DEADLY AND CARTER PROFITED FROM IT!!!!!

LOL nothing. Does the name Dr. Barrett, M.D. sound familiar?

How about the definition of the Cleckly Psychopath, which Carter
fits so perfectly?

We ALL know differently. Yet psychopath Carter pretends otherwise.

What else would we expect from this sicko?

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 23:39:23 -0700, redrum1@alltel.net wrote:

I never authored any ads for Poz magazine of any kind. You are lying.

LOL. Not in the slightest.

What? Nonsense. You waved your hands around, mentioned some
constituents and then provided no evidence whatsoever for immune
suppression.

Indeed, the clinical trial showed some modest stabilization or
increase in CD4.

Oh, dear, Frod, you're lying again.

If you have evidence, call the authorities and present it to them. Go
for it, Frod.

I can name several folks that have and some who continue to use
boxwood but it's not my place to igive lists of names. Nor does it
mean that the boxwood extract is the reason they are alive.


No, I was not and no, I never "admitted" anything of the sort. What I
did do was disclose the extent that they PARTIALLY subsidized a visit
to their factory. And I was accompanied by two activist friends, both
living with HIV, both still alive, both of whom (among many others)
who were interested in evaluating the claims about this botanical.

What I was MOST happy with in that experience was that they were
showing that the then popular notion that you could never clinically
evaluate a botanical intervention was a ridiculous. They did. The
results were modest at the standard dosage. (A higher dosage was no
different than placebo).

This was an important study and I'm very glad I was involved in my own
small way.

Of course, this all happened in the mid-90s, and this is the best
frodlet can manage in his kind of pathetic attempt at a smear
campaign.

Honey, you're gonna give yourself a stroke!

SPV-30 was NEVER deadly in the slightest. And I never "profited" from
it.

Yes. He's an idiot.

snipping more infantile, fixated name calling....

George M. Carter

On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 10:17:44 GMT, GMCarter <fiar@verizon.net> wrote:

Another Carter bald-faced lie.

Carter worked for Arkopharma. They paid him and he took their money
and gifts (e.g. expense paid "working" vacation to France).

In exchange, Carter facilitated the distribution network for SPV-30.

Carter also worked for POZ magazine, wrote a column and authored the
SPV-30 ads.

Over 70 steroidal compounds, each of which was listed on
this newgroup - to the dismay of Arkopharma and their American
gopher, George Carter.


Ah yes, the same standard of proof George Carter demands of others
can never be met by him.

What else could be expected of compulsive liar Carter?

Carter can't seem to make up his mind ... he didn't take money for
his deadly "work" ... but now he admits taking some small pittance.

Whatever it takes for Carter's psycopathic, megalomaniacal mind to
cope with the ugly reality of death which his actions have visited
upon those with positive HIV tests.

Interestingly, when I began posting the truth about Carter 2
days ago, it was Carter's fear of exposure that led to his
libelous and outrageous accusations of child molestation.

A "smear campaign"? That's something Carter knows plenty about!

What else could anyone expect from the pharma boiler rooms
and their paid minions of the Carter-Stein-Canzi-Mailman ilk?

Psychiatrist Barrett would love it!

LOL!

On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 17:07:10 -0700, redrum1@alltel.net wrote:

snip
Nope.

Provide the proof.

Nope. I DID happily and proudly work on making information about
SPV-30 available and was happy that people had access to it.

There was nothing wrong with it except that it was overpriced. Which I
also said at the time.

If this is what you call conflicts of interest--well, I can only
wonder how much they're paying you to spread these lies, Frodlet!

I wrote several articles for POZ. I did NOT write any ad copy ever.
But actually, had I been aske to, I might have done something
differently than the company that did that work.

LOL. Not in the very slightest! You could list the compounds contained
in any number of things--gee, like condoms.

The issue is whether that has any clinical relevance. It doesn't!

This is where your grasp of science is full of holes, dear.

Sorta like your claims that DNCB is non-toxic and harmless. So I
wondered if you'd be willing to take a bath in the stuff.....

Curiously, you never seemed to want to. Gosh. Why not?

Where have I demanded that naming a "single survivor" of anything
constitutes a standard of "proof" of anything, frod? That's absurd.

So frod, why are you so nasty?

Really. What is your motivation?

If you're not being paid by pharma--which I believe to be the
case--then are you here to help people?

Or just to be an ugly troll?

I feel sad for your existence. It seems like it is very full of pain
and ugliness. I hope you find healing one of these days, guy. Or
you'll die and look back and think--gee, I spent my life being such an
asshole.

Premise: the work I did caused people to die. The premise is faulty.

I did not take money--and when I wrote my report about the journey to
Arkopharma's site, I declared exactly what their financial involvement
was....pretty damned little, frankly.

What difference would it make unless you believe HIV causes AIDS? Do
you believe that?

And indeed, there is no evidence that boxwood, even at high doses,
causes any side effects, let alone kills people.

What KILLS people is telling them to believe HIV does not exist or is
harmless...what kills people is telling them to avoid ARV altogether.

Yep. I was just handing you some of your own shit, dear. And that's
caused you to be quite lively--but as ever, poor dear, full of
vitriol.

You have always been a help to me, though, in understanding anger. On
a spiritual level, I can only say thank you for that--and again, offer
you my hope that you'll heal.

Yes. I've witnessed you attempt to conduct one to little effect.

LOL. Quintessential frodlet.

George M. Carter

On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:57:57 -0700, redrum1@alltel.net wrote:

Oh, dear, the master Frodlet has made a great declaration again!
lol....

(I love how you mimic my lols, frod. The difference is, I'm actually
giggling while you're screaming and tearing your hair out)....

I see--so you say ALL PRODUCTS of the PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY should
ALWAYS be avoided and NOTHING GOOD can ever be said about ANYTHING
they have ever made or will ever make in the future?

ROFLMAO.

I am PROUD of my ACT UP friends! (For the most part.) They are and
were some of the most incredible people I ever met.

Check out:
http://www.actup-ny.org for example.

I see -- so you SUPPORT denialists but are NOT one? is that right
frod?

I see--so you DO feel guilty about contributing to his early death to
AIDS by sending conflicting signals.

What facts, frod?

The fact that YOU are the paid pharma shill? The evil mongerer of
hatred and lies and libel?

Hey frod--go for it! Show the evidence where I wrote ANY ads anywhere
anytime for anyone.

LOL.. YOU REFUSE to reveal your sources of income.

"We", Frod?

Ah...I see....a new form of "holocaust denier" is born....

Wow. You really are a sad case, frod.

But carry on--you go ahead and beat your head against the wall.

George M. Carter

On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 12:31:58 -0700, redrum1@alltel.net wrote:

So you DO realize that one can be a critic of the industry without
necessarily condemning all its products?

Progress, of a sort.

Nope. That is not what I mean.

I mean they were the kind of human beings you apparently will never
be.

George M. Carter

On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:45:12 GMT, GMCarter <fiar@verizon.net> wrote:

On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 11:16:23 GMT, GMCarter <fiar@verizon.net> wrote:

Carter actually isn't allowed to "think"... pharma wouldn't stand for
it. Not for one second, as evidenced by Pharma Ilk Carter, Stein,
Canzi, Mailman and others operating from their public relations
internet damage control boiler rooms.

However, Carter's lies are intended to distance himself and his
previous ACT UP co-conspirators from their sordid pasts, when
they were paid to solicit victims for the pharma poison squads.
The only exception to the ACT UP = PHARMA DEATH rule was,
of course, ACT UP San Francisco (see the pharma gang's attacks
on AUSF's Pasquarelli, especially after his death to get
the true flavor of the compassion professed by Carter et al).

Carter says "no, I didn't take pharma money", but the facts
remain otherwise. Unfortunately for Carter, he can't go back
and destroy every copy of POZ Magazine in which his columns
and SPV-30 ads appeared. Would anyone care to guess
which industry funded POZ?

Carter also refuses to disclose his seemingly endless other
financial conflicts of interests involving his Pharma money
and his internet "nutriceutical" schemes (NAC, SPV-30, etc.,
etc.).

Then there were all those drug company-paid trips here and
there; and various other pharma-funded-and-sponsored opportunites
for self-promotion and profit. Some call those "International AIDS
Conferences", but by now we know better, don't we? Carter
and his "friends" were there. Always. And they NEVER paid
their own way. NEVER! The drug companies paid them and
the drug companies even orchestrated their "protests",
(e.g. the parade of actor-protesters demanding their latest
cures in front of the news media - ALL of it was phony).

The term "Quizzling" comes to mind.

And then there was Carter's crowned jewel - Arkopharma France's
SPV-30 and his true one chance to be a hero! Carter admits taking
their money, but now brushes it off as if a pittance. He'll only admit
that much because he was caught in the act ... again.
But Carter lies when he claims that he didn't write
the ads for SPV-30. He did. Carter admits "helping" with the
distribution of this immune system killer, a confession that
Carter refuses to reconcile with all the goodies he received
along the way.

Carter also downplays the deadly nature of the SPV-30 boxwood
extract's high volume of steroidal drug compounds (nearly 70)
which were even classified at the time as good candidates
for cancer therapy. Similar to tamoxifen, they were highly
immunosuppressive, if only by inference understood by even the
most casual observer. Yet there Carter was - making money
by killing those whose HIV-positive tests left them
desperate, lonely and vulnerable to psychopathic predators
of Carter's sad ilk - a seemingly endless stream of
opportunists who, like roaches, scamper off when
light is shed on their handiwork ... and conflicts of interest.

That's why Carter's desperation is so obvious - as evidenced
by his recent "child molester" ploy and the various other smear
campaigns he regularly orchestrates against his tormentors
(anyone with common sense and/or science). That's what
Carter and his co-workers here are paid to do. That's the
job for the Pharma PR boiler rooms who plague Usenet
for the purpose of obscuring the truth that is so embarassing
and risky to their employers. (Hence the demise of sci.med.aids -
the group which was "moderated" by the Pharma PR
boiler rooms ... into oblivion).

redrumtza

On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:02:51 GMT, GMCarter <fiar@verizon.net> wrote:

Gee, Mr. Carter, I don't think anyone here says that, of course,
other than yourself in yet another hysterical Carter scree.

By "in-credible", Carter actually means "not credible".

LOL!

On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 16:44:55 GMT, GMCarter <fiar@verizon.net> wrote:

Not at all. What we all realize here is obvious to even the most
casual observer.