Hey, I am just checking in to see how you two are doing!

I need to read the article that "Iconoclaster" sent to me and then get
back into the debate.

I think it's time to pull out the heavy artillary and start learning the
basics of molecular biology.

I am in the beginning stages of understanding this whole *new language*
and need to learn it *all.*

I feel that the "final phase" of this debate (The Coup de Grace, if you
will) shall be the dissidents walking the talk right in front of the
apologits and actually learning the science, so we can shove it down their
throats.

I may even venture a little wager...

I am going to tell Chris and The Gang, that we accept their offer for a
no-holds barred debate.

We are gonna take off our gloves and battle this thing out - winner takes
all.

And I am going to tell them, when the dissidents are through, they will be
in prison for what they have done to us. Every single person who knowingly
perpetuated this lie is going to be held criminally liable for it.

We're going to take them to court and have them prosecuted.

That is how high the stakes are now.

But first, I need to get ready! I am still going to buy my house and set
up "Dissident Central." I am going to start my own business, so that I can
have a steady income and be able to devote full-time to bringing down the
AIDS paradigm.

I am *never* giving up.

Yours truly,

-Paulee

P.S., If anyone is ready to surrender, just let us know. We will *help
you* out of this mess! Otherwise, we are taking you down the old
fashioned way--in a court of law.

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understanding of the science, yet still is a denialist has yet to appear)
yet highly unlikely to occur.

Bet taken now what happens when you lose? Are you applying the same results
to the denialists? Because if your bet is to be taken seriously then when
you lose you and your ilk will take the responsibility for the deaths of
those who choose to believe your lies and died as a result thus you all will
be spending time with Bubba in 10' X 12' cell.
So what in 4 or 5 years after you've had a chance to educate yourself you
will come back and demolish those scientists that have spent there entire
adult lives studying HIV and AIDS, well good luck to you in that I can't
wait for the fireworks. It will be fun to see how you try and corrupt
science to fit your preconceived ideas.

Gary Stein

"Gary Stein" wrote:

Science is already corrupt. The HIV theory of AIDS is proof of that.

And I am going to prove my theory!

*My theory is that the HIV theory of AIDS is actually proof that science
is corrupt.*

And, with a little help from my friends, I am going to learn Molecular
Biology right in front of your very eyes! I am going to be taking a
"online class" right here on the talkabouthealthnetwork.

And we're gonna start with "Molecular Biology 101," hopefully sometime
next week.

I don't know how long it will take, but you're going to be witnesses the
entire process.

You're going to be my witnesses! I like that!

And the worst part is, the apologists are going to have to hold your
ground the whole time I am learning molecular biology. You're going to
have to answer my questions, backed by documentation, if you disagree
what what I am being taught by my *professor*. You are going to have to
defend your positions because, as I have aptly demonstrated on this
forum over and over and over again, I really understand simple
relationships.

And, guess what, boys! All science is based on *simple* relationships.

Science is actually really, really simple.

It only gets "complex" (i.e., it gets to be full of "inexplicable
paradoxes" which is latin for bullshit) when someone ain't doing their
science right. That's why the scientific process includes duplication.
You need to be able to duplicate another scientists work and then
*agree* with his interpretation of the data. Just having data isn't
enough - not even "Mountains of Data."

And a scientist's data, along with his/her *correct interpretation* of
that data, need to be able to make accurate predictions. That is what
meteroligists do! They can predict the movement of objects with a
high-degree of probability based on sound science.

Are they right everytime? Hell no!

But can they predict events with astounding accuracy! Hell yes!

It's just like I read in the book "Zero - Biography of a Dangerous
Idea." Calculus is actually severely flawed. They have to "fudge" the
numbers sometimes because ZERO (the absense of value) keeps collapsing
the equations. Yet, calculus, with all of it's flaws can predict the
movement of planets with a high-degree of accuracy! It functions as a
sound scientific principle, even though it ain't perfect.

The problem with the HIV theory of AIDS is that it can't predict shit.

And I am going to demonstrate why.



Paul Whiting

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adult lives studying HIV and AIDS, well good luck to you in that I can't
wait for the fireworks.

Scientists that have spent their entire adult lives studying HIV and
AIDS... How old can these whippersnappers be at the most?
2005 - 1983 + 18 = 40 (!) How infinitely sad, to have wasted so much of
your life on a theory that every kid can see makes no sense at all.

"Iconoclaster" wrote:

What a coincidence, Iconoclaster! I am about to turn 39 and I am *just
getting started* on my scientific career! There is a *new breed* of
scientist out there, kids!

We're fuckin' rebels! And we ain't gonna take it anymore!

Scientists are rebels, kids! They are ***NOT*** conformists.

Fuck the system! We are here to *change* the system, because science is
about CHANGE.

Because, if we don't change - if we don't differentiate - we're all
fucked.

And you are about to witness the most amazing transformation of all
time! (Drum roll, please...)

You are about to see Mr. Paul Whiting, Administrative Assistant
extrordinaire turned into....

...Super Molecular Biologists!

Able to leap tall theories with a single bound!

Faster than a speeding proton!

It's a bird! It's a plane!

No, it's Rogue Scientist!

I am a rogue scientist. I am a rebel in disguise. I am going to
*learn* molecular fucking biology.

Even if it fucking kills me!

And then, we are gonna take this pathetic, simple-minded, piece of shit
theory and deconstruct it, right in front of your very eyes! And then,
we're gonna hold entirely accountable in a court of law** every bastard
who held up this piece of crap theory as "sound science."

And we're gonna do it *ALL* legally, professionally and with the full
faith and backing of the scientific process.

Welcome to the scientific future, boys! And it rings with the truth of
simple logic.

**Those who would like to admit fault *now* will be spared. All you
need to do is *document* your that fact that, at some point in time, you
*publicly* questioned the HIV theory of AIDS. Those showing proof will
*not*, I repeat NOT, be held accountable in a court of law.

We protect those who are brave enough to come forward and tell the
truth. We mean that!


Paul Whiting

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On Thu, 20 Oct 2005 03:51:56 GMT, pauleewhiting
<pauleewhiting@hotmail.com> wrote:

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Right. Like the ones that believe in "intelligent design" and, through
acts of purest sophistry, try to pass it off as science.

and.....


With those few words, you demonstrate that you know absolutely nothing
about science or scientific theories.

For a start, you mean hypothesis, and not theory (if you intend to talk
scientifically)....

Science looks for explanations of observable phenomena.
The scientific method requires that hypotheses are testable and
*dis*provable - scientists look for evidence to refute their hypotheses
as a means of making scientific progress.

You cannot "prove your own theory"

"DavidT" wrote:

Ya know, sometimes you guys just *kill me.*

I can't even believe you are so insecure in your position that you would
actually take the time to belittle someone who says they are willing to
learn molecular biology!

How desperate can you be?

So, what? Now that I am willing to actually accept your challenge to
"walk the talk" you're starting me off with a series of put-downs?

That's mature!

Is that all the apologits have left? Name calling?

Sometimes I don't know whether to laugh *at* you, or cry *for* you.



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Sorry, I missed the part where I supposedly called you names.
I did say that you knew nothing about science, which is self-evidently
true.
You don't like a few home truths, go play somewhere else.

If you want to learn anything, let alone molecular biology, you will
have to lighten up and stop over-reacting when someone tries to make
you better informed.

"DavidT" wrote:

I have never recieved the impression from *any* apologist that their
intention is to *ever* make people "better informed."

If the aplogists *really* wanted to make people "better informed," they
would allow views of "HIV and AIDS," other than their own, to be heard.

The apologists are keeping "HIV-positives" enslaved to their views.
Period.

We are here to *free them* from their bondage and let them *decide for
themselves* what view makes the most sense. Period.



Paul Whiting

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"pauleewhiting" <pauleewhiting@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Care to tell us why you choose molecular biology over virology, or
epidemiolgy?

What is it about the science of molecular biology that you think will be the
most useful in your grand scheme to prove the non-existence of HIV?

How do you propose to gain an understanding of molecular biology? Who is to
be your teacher? What will your sources of educational materials be?

Gary Stein

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How have you been censored here on an unmoderated newsgroup? Who is it that
has prevented you from spewing the mountains of bullcrap that you have so
far vomited into this newsgroup?
Just how does that happen please enlighten the world about this vast medical
conspiracy to silence the denialists?

Gary Stein

"Gary Stein" wrote:

This is how you censor dissidents:

"Who is it that has prevented you from *spewing the mountains of
bullcrap* that you have so far *vomited* into this newsgroup?"

It's called "belittling," Gary.

It's the first, and last, great argument of the apologists.






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pauleewhiting wrote:
Something sounds familiar (well up to a point, I somehow doubt you are
going to get a PhD).

http://www.tparents.org/library/unif...lls/DARWIN.htm

Johnathon Wells was a fundamentalist christian without a PhD in biology
who dogmatically believed that evolution was wrong.

The Rev. Dr. Sun Myung Moon told him to get a PhD in Biology so he
could scientifically prove that evolution was false

Now Johnathon Wells is a fundamentalist christian with a PhD in biology
who dogamtically believes that evolution is wrong.

Do the words "preconceptual science" mean anything to you?

PS. Does anyone here think for a moment that anyone in the original
Perth Group had even heard of a retrovirus before 1984?

Chris Noble

"you will have to lighten up and stop over-reacting when someone tries to
make
you better informed."

Interesting way of putting it. Somebody *tries to make you*. It
definitely sounds as if force is being applied, rather than intelligently
*allowing* Paul to sift through information.

You boys are so obvious in your intentions.

"Who is it that has prevented you from spewing the mountains of bullcrap
that you have so
far vomited into this newsgroup?"

Looks like Paul's touching some nerves again.

Are you trying to change the subject, Mr. Carter? It won't do any good,
I'm afraid. We're coming after you. And the subject is not "intelligent
design", but "The follies of the HIV/AIDS" theory.

I think you mean to be missing the point, Chris. Paul's going to get this
tutoring in front of everybody here. It's an open classroom.

He wants to learn this at its most basic and rudimentary level. I'm sure
you're more than welcome to step in and say that whatever he's being told
is, in fact, wrong. I bet Paul would actually appreciate your input!

So, how is it going to be "preconceptual", if he's just learning the
basics of molecular biology? Nice try with this Johnathon Wells guy, but
you'll just have to wait and see.

wilyretrovirus wrote:
Are you saying that Paul doesn't already "know" the truth?

Are you saying that he will learn science with an open mind?

Paul self admittedly does not have a scientific understanding of the
subject. His opinions are not based on science. Now he is promising to
learn the science to prove us wrong.

Call me stupid if you want but I think Paul has already made up his
mind. I think he is as willing to learn as Johnathon Wells.

Do the words "preconceptual science" mean anything to you?

Chris Noble

"Chris Noble" wrote:

The proof is in the pudding, my dearest Mr. Noble, because I am taking
my lessons from two teachers, with opposing views.

So, if you disagree with what I am being taught, then you're gonna have
to speak up and provide me with another reference to read and consider.

And, if at all possible, boys, let's all of get our reading materials
online.

I want to be sure that *everyone* who's following along with the class
is on the same page...

Are you ready to teach me, Professor Noble?

And remember, class, we are starting with the abslolute basics so I want
*all of you to follow along very carefully* so you don't get lost.

Two teachers are better than one, I always say...




Paul Whiting

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