I have been researching medline's reports that I found through the
website http://www.magnetcure.com because a friend of mine has sworn
that magnetic gadgetry works. Now magnetic insoles I have heard about
and are as old as the hills...I never gave much credit to it. I did a
Web search to read more and continue my conversation with him later.

What I found in the above laboratory reports was surprising...that
there are hundreds of studies on the efficacy of "active magnets"
(electrically generated). I couldn't believe that this therapy
(called by all sorts of names like Extremely Low Frequency ELF,
magneto-therapy, Pulsed magnetic therapy, magnetic field
therapy...etc.) has been clinically proven to treat various forms of
pain, migraine...help bone fractures heal faster...help erectile
dysfunction...even hair loss???

If this therapy does indeed have such positive results, why aren't
devices like Magnetan (http://www.magnetcure.com) or Nikken ("passive"
regular magnet stuff) more commonly available or talked about?

"johnny" <holyjesus@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:df4f1bb9.0309301403.446b51f3@posting.google.c om...
Oh Johnny, I'm afraid you have been terribly misled. Here is a recent JAMA
abstract on the insole subject:

http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content...ct/290/11/1474

Bill


Effect of Magnetic vs Sham-Magnetic Insoles on Plantar Heel Pain
A Randomized Controlled Trial

Mark H. Winemiller, MD; Robert G. Billow, DO; Edward R. Laskowski, MD; W.
Scott Harmsen, MS


JAMA. 2003;290:1474-1478.

Context Despite anecdotal reports, rigorous scientific evidence of the
effectiveness of magnetic insoles for the pain of plantar fasciitis is
lacking.

Objective To determine whether magnetic insoles provide greater subjective
improvement for treatment of plantar heel pain compared with identical
nonmagnetized insoles.

Design, Setting, and Participants Randomized, double-blind,
placebo-controlled trial conducted from February 12, 2001, to November 9,
2001, of a volunteer sample of 101 adults with diagnoses of plantar heel pain
for at least 30 days from a multispecialty group practice clinic in Rochester,
Minn. Daily pain diaries were kept for 8 weeks.

Interventions Cushioned insoles, with either active bipolar magnets or sham
magnets, which were worn daily by the participants for 8 weeks.

Main Outcome Measures Reported average daily foot pain (by metered visual
analog scale [VAS] and by categorical response of change from baseline) at 4
and 8 weeks, and impact of insoles on employment performance and enjoyment.

Results No significant between-group differences were found on any outcome
variables studied when comparing active vs sham magnets. Both the nonmagnetic
and magnetic groups reported significant improvements in morning foot pain
intensity, with mean (SD) VAS scores improving from 6.9 (2.3) and 6.7 (2.0),
respectively, at baseline to 3.9 (2.6) for each group at 8 weeks (P = .94). At
8 weeks, 33% of the nonmagnetic group and 35% of the magnetic group reported
being all or mostly better (P = .78). At baseline, foot pain interfered
moderately with participants' employment enjoyment (mean VAS, 4.2) and
improved in both groups by 8 weeks (1.3 and 1.5, respectively; P = .68).

Conclusion Static bipolar magnets embedded in cushioned shoe insoles do not
provide additional benefit for subjective plantar heel pain reduction when
compared with nonmagnetic insoles.


Author Affiliations: Department of Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation (Drs
Winemiller and Laskowski) and Section of Biostatistics (Mr Harmsen), Mayo
Clinic, Rochester, Minn; and Northwest Orthopaedic Surgeons, Mount Vernon,
Wash (Dr Billow).

In <df4f1bb9.0309301403.446b51f3@posting.google.com>, johnny wrote:

ELF magnetic fields induce small currents in salt water (e.g.
flesh) which have an effect on tissues -- an obvious example
being nerve stimulation, which can block pain.

Passive magnetic fields don't induce those currents.

--
| "Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a |
| completely unintentional side effect. " -- Linus Torvalds |
+--------------- D. C. Sessions <dcs@lumbercartel.com> ----------+

Thanks for the information about magnets but why did you repeat the
advertisement??? The post was reported for advertising and some people
report the person that repeats the advertisers site but I did not do
that this time.

Harv

In article <df4f1bb9.0309301403.446b51f3@posting.google.com>,
holyjesus@hotmail.com (johnny) wrote:

Probably because such devices DON'T have "such positive results,"
spammer.
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <3F7ACFD7.1010905@swbell.net>,
"Harvey R.Stone" <hrstone@swbell.net> wrote:

Point taken, but one could equally ask why you wasted bandwidth posting
the exact same words above more than once in this newsgroup.
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

"Orac" <orac@mac.com> wrote in message
newsrac-72739B.10112401102003@host9.newsfeeds.com...

LOLOL YOu better believe I cut the advertisers part that mattered about
advertising. Screw the bandwidth. We are talking about advertising and
making money off of people with problems. If you can not see that,,,, your
problem is more than I can handle.
Harv

And you repeated his post. Are you just stupid? Are you really the kind
of dummy that would buy magnets?? I guess so.

Harv

In article <uBCeb.1396$RY1.627@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>,
"Harvey R. Stone" <hrstone@swbell.net> wrote:

Normally, I try to stay polite, but given your insults I see no
compelling reason to try to do so with you. Obviously you have a problem
with reading comprehension. I just told the person pushing the magnet
therapy that they don't work.

Please, do learn how to read for comprehension.
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

In article <dzCeb.1395$7P1.625@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>,
"Harvey R. Stone" <hrstone@swbell.net> wrote:

I suspect many problems are more than you can handle. Obviously the
hypocrisy of your repeating identical text multiple times in criticizing
spam eludes you. The sad thing is, we probably agree about these
scammers, but you seem rather sensitive about even mild criticism and
unable to resist insults, as demonstrated in your other reply to me
("dummy" and "stupid" were your words, were they not?).
--
Orac |"A statement of fact cannot be insolent."
|
|"If you cannot listen to the answers, why do you
| inconvenience me with questions?"

Licking Your Fingers and Sticking Them in a Light Socket -- Really Works!

--
David Canzi

"Orac" <orac@mac.com> wrote in message
newsrac-72739B.10112401102003@host9.newsfeeds.com...
Because sometimes people aren't aware of what they are doing. Harvey was
merely pointing it out.

"Orac" <orac@mac.com> wrote in message
newsrac-DC2D97.10084301102003@host9.newsfeeds.com...
You did it again, Why? I have a lot of respect for Harvey, he has been
here for years fighting people trying to post their spam. I would have
given up a long time ago. My hat is off to you Harvey, you fight for what
you believe in and you are still doing it.

I ran into another old timer in the group today and thought I would stop by
and say Hi. I hope you are doing well, but I see the battle is still going
with the spammers. I hope the day comes when you are rid of them.. Is your
email address still the same? I might be able to find you some help. If I
do I will email you. I still have you in my book. Just give me a week or
two.

Sharon from about 3 years ago, it's been a long time since I was here, I got
really sick then found out I had cancer. But right now I am doing really
well.

Sharon

Hi Sharon, I am sorry to read that you have had cancer and I hope that
is under control now. We both are both doing well. I used to say that
I did now know anyone that had actually gone into remission with
inflam.arth. until for 10 months I was without any problems and took no
medicine for my RA. I donated my medicine to my Rheumatologist for that
period of time for him to use with someone that could not afford what
todays medicine costs. All things do come to an end sometimes and the
old pains in my knees and shoulders started to come back so it was back
on the Enbrel for myself. It was a good ten months and I was able to do
many things just like anyone else.
I know that your brush with cancer made you look at life a
little differently. The good Lord does not promise us one more day and
sometimes the things that happen to us makes us look at tomorrow a
little differently and enjoy the people around us and the things that
happen in our daily lives a little more. I enjoyed my 10 months and
look forward to the next time I go into remission because now I know it
can and does happen.
Thank you for your nice words of times gone by. Lets you and I
makes our tomorrows at good as we can and yes,,, I still enjoy kicking a
little spammer ass every now and then. I still will not put up with
someone that comes into a newsgroup just to make money off of people
with problems.

Harv

Looking for the best Medical journal to publish
traditional herbal medicine for HIV/AIDS.
lord@megaweb.ca
Tom

"Bro. AA Thomas> wrote in message news:rCTfb.26$282.9202.

"Bro. AA Thomas" <lord@megaweb.ca> wrote in message
news:rCTfb.26$282.9202@weber.videotron.net...
Once upon a time, there was a group of salescreeps who sold something that
they called "G-d's Recipe".

I warned them that He did not like to have his name used in spam. I offered
to sell the Deluxe model from the Acme Lightening Rod Company, but, of
course, made no guarantees. I mentioned that sometimes, even He misses.

Well they did not take up my offer, and there have been no sales creeps
selling "G-d's Recipe" for many years.

Just let your friends know, so they can stay far enough away if He should be
having a bad day and is off by a few feet.

On Sun, 05 Oct 2003 13:33:26 GMT, "Harvey R. Stone"
<hrstone@swbell.net> wrote:

There are a number of journals, some peer-reviewed, for the discussion
of botanical medicine. Indeed, there are many reasons to believe that
botanical medicine has much to offer the management of HIV disease.
Not perhaps with the same potency as ARV but means that may delay
progression. See for example:
http://www.aidsinfonyc.org/fiar/links.html

However, you could well be correct that the poster is indeed trolling
for spam purposes. I guess we'll see.

George M. Carter