Does anyone else agree that this is a fine idea? Much as denying the
Nazi Holocaust will land you in jail in Austria they should make the
denial of the spread of AIDS punishable by prison. Why stop there
though, those who spread misinformation about AIDS should also be
punished, see the bit in the article about South African President
Mbeki.

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index....D=1&subID=1000

jamesmoggy@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
In many ways it is worse than holocaust denial, since that is a denial
of history, whereas HIV denial has tragic ongoing consequences for
those infected or who put themselves at risk of infection thinking they
are safe.
However, I disagree that it should be criminalised. That might just be
the thin end of the wedge.

<jamesmoggy@yahoo.co.uk> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:1167220081.914082.20970@i12g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
As long as you don't find any citation in this group proofing the virus hypothesis and boys like Montagnier and Gallo are not nominated for a Nobel Price, your question can't be serious.

Max

Maxwell Hamilton wrote...
His proposal is quite serious. Leftists condemn any attacks on their
free speech as unconstitutional, but happily call for banning the free
speech of those who disagree with leftist orthodoxy.

Of course you are an idiot for believing that HIV and AIDS don't exist,
but your idiocy is harmless and there is no reason to suppress your
radical opinion because nobody believes it, and if a few people do
believe it then they are retards and deserve to die of AIDS if they
take your Usenet posts seriously and forgo condoms because they didn't
think viruses existed. If President Mbeki wants to believe it and
South Africa really is a democracy and the people really want to elect
a retard who wants to replace ARV drugs with garlic juice, then I
suppose the retarded South African people deserve to die of AIDS, too.

"brainfart" <fart@brain.org> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:OdSkh.10167$ZT3.9117@newssvr19.news.prodigy.c om...
idiot : phrase identifying a troll

obviously I didn't say this. If it takes this kind of logic to understand your opinion - thank you

Maxwell Hamilton wrote:

Yeah, just one of the resident trolls. Or rather, one of the socks/nyms
of the resident troll.

B/

If President Mbeki wants to believe it and
As leader of a country you have a responsibility to your people. Do you
think that Mbeki, if he does not believe there is a link between Aids
and HIV, is going to approve funding for expensive ARV drugs. Of course
he won't. It will be left to NGOs to help those infected.

jamesmoggy@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Gee, I guess Oprah was right when she predicted that 10 million people
in the US would have AIDS by 1990!!! Sorry, the great US "AIDS"
epidemic failed along with all the other toxic drugs that poisoned
400,000 people and wasted almost 300 billion dollars on junk science.
"AIDS" is now in serious decline in the US and is in the category of
RARE DISEASE with less than 15,000 new cases every new year. (of mostly
non-symptomatic HIV positives who only qualify as "AIDS" patients by
having less than 200 CD4 T-cells per ml and are healthy) Now even AID$
Inc. admits "estimates" of African HIV/AIDS cases were way overblown.
But does this stop the SKY IS FALLING--SKY IS FALLING rants of the
Oprah media? No.

For anyone interested in seeing the truth about HIV/AID$--- the biggest
and most dangerous medical fraud of all time, visit this site:
http://www.hiv-aids-factorfraud.com or www.helpforhiv.com
The numbers of scientists and biomedical researchers now challenging
the bankrupt science behind HIV/AID$ are growing all over the world in
masses. Thank God South African President Mbeki stood up to this
madness before they poisoned millions of poor Africans like they have
400,000 Americans.
It's time to stop the HIV/AID$ hysteria and abandon HIV. If anyone
belongs in jail it is Bobby (stole the virus) Gallo and Anthony
(Mengale) Fauci.
TurthPLEASE!

On 29 Dec 2006 12:39:58 -0800, "Truth PLEASE!"
<comments@hiv-aids-factorfraud.com> wrote:

Cognitive dissonance, numbnuts. If the toxic drugs should be killing
people, then more should be dead, no?

But they help people to stay alive. And safer sex practices, needle
exchange and harm reduction have helped to stem the tide of new
infections.

Prevention and treatment programs have been thwarted and stymied by
Bush and his lot of murderers and thieves--but despite them and the
psycho religious fundy nutcases, much has been done to educate people
in prevention.

Idiot denialists like you notwithstanding.

Sadly, you can count many of your denialist brethren among those who
died of AIDS buying your brand of bullshit.

George M. Carter

GMCarter wrote:
400,000 ENOUGH for your GEORGE????

(.05%) for OVER 20 years!!! YOU KNOW THIS!!!! or you are just plain
STUPID because I have proved this to you from CDC studies at least
three times!!!! Obviously you have forgotten. I will POST THIS SAME
DISCUSSION form another Google blog. Your mind is going!!! You can't
even remember how many times you have been caught telling the SAME LIE
to the SAME person. DO NOT tell me ONE MORE TIME GEORGE that new
infections have decreased becuase the Same number of people who were
infected with HIV in 1985 per capita has NEVER CHANGED. YOU KNOW
THIS!!!!!


Lets see was it the Lancet study or the JAMA study of this year that
prove your above statements are BULLSHIT..Oh ya,,I forgot IT WAS
BOTH!!!! Take your RAT poison "miracle treatments" somewhere else
George.The studies PROVE they DON"T increase life spans.




Hey go easy on the Prez George, he is the one funding your fraud right
now, not us! You better butter up to W. George, cause you will get no
sympathy from the growing angry crowd after both of you!

Hey everybody! George M Carter is Back for another ASS kicking!

No matter how many times George gets the floor wiped with his butt in
these debates He KEEPS COMING BACK FOR MORE!!!! WHY? Becuase he is
INVESTED in this FRAUD!

GEORGE and his buddy Bobby STEAL the VIRUS GALLO, and David fudge the
results (so bad that even Rockefeller and his evil crowd of theives had
to throw him out) BALTIMORE, wanna give us another round of their USED
CAR and used RUBBER science about "HOW HIV CAUSES AIDS." 25 years of
lies and still George wants to tell us that HIV causes AIDS" in spite
of 400,000 people George and his HIV/AID$ quacks poisoned with AZT. Now
in spite of the most recent studies, he still says these toxic drugs
actually SAVE lives!!!!
George and his buddy Robert Gallo have poisoned about 6 TIMES the
number of US servicemen killed in Vietnam. They are the SCUM of corrupt
science. I DEMAND you defend AZT George! (he won't, cause he knows was
POISON)

I could engage in this for hours George, but I think I would rather
refer the readers to the BMJ debate where you and the others were so
badly mauled. Or was it the Yahoo debate.
Oh ya!! I forgot..It was BOTH again!
Should I pull out the statements you made then and post them again? we
are keeping those you know. Take your used RUBBER HIV "science" and go
away!! for GOOD!!!

Stay in this debate Goerge. I promise you I will KICK your ASS again
here and any other place I find your murdering madness you call "AIDS
SCIENCE!"

On 29 Dec 2006 16:51:34 -0800, "Truth PLEASE!"
<comments@hiv-aids-factorfraud.com> wrote:

Try 25 million men, women and children who have died of AIDS. Related
to HIV.

Many because the pharmaceutical companies blocked their access to
cheap generics, often with the eager help of the United States
government through shitty trade deals and the like.

That enough for you?

George M. Carter

On 29 Dec 2006 16:51:34 -0800, "Truth PLEASE!"
<comments@hiv-aids-factorfraud.com> wrote:

snip
Don't know about the Yahoo one, but the BMJ debate--well, let's let
readers decide who got "mauled"....in my view, it was the denialists.
Their grasp of science is meager at best.

See:
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/326/7387/495#32532
http://aidsmyth.blogspot.com/
http://www.aidstruth.org/howimmunoassayswork.php
http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/20...viral_load.php
or
http://scienceblogs.com/aetiology/20...dian_paper.php

There's lots more.

And no. I don't take money from pharma. That's just one of your
fucking lies. I think YOU guys take money from pharma as part of swift
boating campaigns against those of us who HATE how pharma has raped
science and people (many to death) with their greed.

George M. Carter

GMCarter wrote:
Africa counting everyone? You know martians landed out there too? There
is NO way you can even come close to verfing any of that! They never
even tested those people, with the bogus HIV test.

The death rate in South Africa has only slightly increased since the
change in government with all those problems, and UNAIDS says SA has a
HIV population "estimate" of 10% HIV positives. No wonder president
Mbeki questions the AID$ industy's stats. Too bad you don't as well.
Would somebody PLEASE tell US women and South Africans (and Magic
Johnson) to DIE soon, so we can save the "HIV causes AIDS hypothesis"
and further problems for AID$ Inc.

So actually the AID$ industry came up with the SLOWER HIV virus because
it takes even LONGER to cause AIDS than in the US. Funny how HIV won't
cooperate with the AIDS science projections in US women, Africans,
Hatians, Hispanics, or age groups outside risk categories. When you
look at the entire HIV/AIDS paradigm it's almost as if HIV can fool
every statistical profile an "infectious epidemic" would have to
follow. But then again, we have to make "sceintific exceptions" for HIV
the retrovirus that "causes AIDS" after antibody immunity. Where the
hell is that vaccine we were promised by 1986? It's being developed by
the same people who are creating a vaccine against auto accidents I
guess.

When the AIDS "treatments" fail they go back to talking about the 20
year belated vaccine, until the new drugs come out. Maybe they should
try to develop a vaccine against comets too.

They wanted to give millions of pregnant African woman AZT, a drug
designed to destroy DNA at fire sale cheap prices, (but still paid for
by US tax dollars)

On 30 Dec 2006 10:08:43 -0800, "Truth PLEASE!"
<comments@hiv-aids-factorfraud.com> wrote:
What in the world are you dithering about now? Oh. That's right. More
conspiracy blather.

Darling, you ought to re-read Steve Harris's great refutation of the
same old tired bullshit arguments and straw men you denialists keep
regurgitating. Here:
http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/news/focus...DSHeresies.pdf

You're arguments are just utter crap, dear. As usual, they merely
demonstrate that most denialists are intellectually challenged at
best.

At worst, they pretend their HIV+ status is irrelevant. Til they
develop opportunistic infections and die needlessly.

Like David Pasquarelli and so many others. (HEAL/Sydney chapter for
example).

They died of AIDS. Not because they were bad or gay or drug users or
not. They died because they did not believe they had a serious
infection. They refused to get proper treatment. Antivirals are not a
cure and can have side effects--but they have helped many to have
longer, more productive lives than when ARV was (or is) not available.

And I kinda get the feeling that YOU should be on treatment. If you
are HIV+, TruthPlease, the truth is you will probably die sooner than
you need to if you keep espousing this bullshit.

George M. Carter

GMCarter wrote...
What stemmed the tide of new HIV infections is that over the years
every person who was a high risk for catching the virus eventually
contracted it, leaving no one left to fall into the uninfected-to-
infected category. It took years for the existing pool of heroin
addicts to become infected, and all there is left now is the much
smaller number of new heroin converts each year to infect. Same
with homosexual men, beginning in the 1980s there were generations
of gay men who were HIV- and they provided for the huge explosion
in new HIV infections among gay men. Gay men still do get infected,
but only the youngest generation can account for the new infections
because the older generations are already infected.

One statistic I would like to see in CDC reports is the number of
self-identified MSMs getting tested for HIV and the number of
those tests that come back positive. I've never seen that figure
and I'm sure it's an official secret, because I suspect that the
positive test rate approaches 100% for that group.


Before I kicked him out of my car yesterday, my insane AIDS-infected
brother was babbling on how the government didn't do enough to
"educate" him and his fellow members of the gay community about proper
condom use. Not that it matters, now that he's been so educated, he
doesn't bother to wear one while fucking warted sphincters at the
the bathhouse or behind the dumpster. And while I dislike George W.
Bush, my brother was barebacking behind dumpsters throughout the
entire Clinton administration. But it isn't Clinton's fault, it
really is evil Newt Gingrinch's fault for slashing the increase in
the AIDS propaganda budget from $2.75 trillion to $2.68 trillion.

jamesmoggy@yahoo.co.uk wrote...
Now that I think about it, Mbfoobi is a genius because the simplest and
cheapest way to end the AIDS epidemic is to stop treating the disease.
The ARVs do work, and that is unfortunate because they keep the patient
alive indefinitely to infect so many more people before succumbing to
the virus. The ARVs are also very expensive, far too expensive for any
African country and even wealthier nations will have a hard time paying
for the annual medical bills of an HIV patient if he continues to infect
as many people per year while receiving treatment. Without drugs he
will die within 5 years, infecting perhaps 100 people in that time
period, now he lives another 20 years, infecting hundreds more people
before having the decency to die. Even worse, untreated HIV makes the
person look sick for the last year or two, making him less likely to
find willing sex partners, while the ARVs restore the appearance of
near-perfect health and luring unsuspecting sex parnters to their doom.

If Mubambi does it right, he can cut off the supply of ARVs and let
nature take its course and decimate the population, preferably combined
with long-term mandatory testing of the general population, high-security
quarantine facilities to confine the infected, and of course industrial
crematoriums to dispose of the toxic waste.

GMCarter wrote:
George, I am not HIV positive, but I have worked with people who are
for the last 14 years.
I can tell you that every person I knew who took antivirals is dead!
The people I know personally who tested HIV positive and stayed away
from HIV treatments (more specifically AZT) are healthy and fine.
But they have also had to reprogram their HIV=AIDS=DEATH mindset, AND
they had to recognize risk behavior and its effects. They may only be a
small study, but when you look out at the huge numbers of people in the
same situation, you find the SAME trend in mass.

I do not know of ONE person who took AIDS treatments who is not either
dead, or on death's doorstep at this time. None of them are healthy,
like those who refused to march to the HIV/AIDS mantra.

GMCarter wrote:
OK. I went to your link and tried to read STEVE HARRIS' great wisdom.
He starts out talking about smoking and lung cancer stats. A good case
study when you consider that a majority of lung cancer patients were
smokers (though not the 90% he cites) and that there is strong
statistical evidence that smoking causes lung cancer, even though the
majority of smokers do NOT get lung cancer.
But here where the bait and switch thinking is implemented. Over 90% of
the people with HIV infection at ANY given time do NOT have AIDS. This
article gets you saying YES DOCTOR, YES DOCTOR, YES DOCTOR...then they
throw you the curve. Simon says: HIV=AIDS...YES DOCTOR
I couldn't bring myself to suffer through the rest of this and take
time to break it all apart bit by tedious bit.
Blind trust in the AID$ industry is what this is all about. Just keep
believing that HIV is the cause of AIDS even if it takes 140 years to
happen! (despite the lifespan of all retroviruses like HIV being only
three weeks) The VAST majority of HIV infected people don't even know
they are sick? Gee..Let's run out and tell them!!!!!!! You need our
Drugs NOW!!! Get more money for this cause!!! When people don't die,
it's Because OUR DRUGS SAVED THEM!!!!

It's hard to believe Americans can fall for this.
visit this site and learn the truth.
http://www.hiv-aids-factorfraud.com HIV/AID$ is without a doubt the
biggest medical fraud of all time. Look at the people who started it,
Robert Gallo and David Baltimore. (these are George's buddies)
Oh really? Well our alive and healthy HIV positives are beginning to
outnumber your medicated and DEAD!!!

HEAL people are alive and well all over the world.
You keep bringing up Pasquarelli, and never mention that he was thrown
in prison for disputing your HIV/AID$ madness. How many people die in
prison at a young age? This is what they do to people who resist your
crap.

TruthPLEASE!

On 30 Dec 2006 18:08:08 -0800, "Truth PLEASE!"
<comments@hiv-aids-factorfraud.com> wrote:

I believe you are lying. I don't believe a word you are saying. Why
should I believe any of this tripe, especially from an anonymous
troll?

George M. Carter

GMCarter wrote:
George, George, the only people lying here are you and your 300 billion
dollar mass genocidal fraud. You have been lying since Gallo was caught
stealing the viurs, since Baltimore was caught submitting fraudulent
tests, since the Concord study and AZT, with lies about HIV infection
rates, with lies about HIV testing validity, with lies about surrogate
markers and AIDS progression, with lies about the pathogenic process of
HIV, with lies about ICLs and people who have AIDS without HIV, with
lies about why we should continue your scam by giving you more money,
with lies about the racist policies of poisoning poor Africans and
other third world nations---all based on the lies you created with HIV,
the virus that fails every test to be the cause of AIDS. And you ARE
invested in AIDS treatments. Another lie. Shall I post the information
about your background here? You are worse than a used car saleman, you
are the epitome of dangerous quacks.
TruthPLEASE!