FROM A POST ON AN MSN BOARD

""LOOK AT ME NOW! I started with nothing and now I am almost able to fully
support myself with sponsor ads alone (with several more months of work
and promotion I will be comfortable)."

WHAT A GREAT SCAM!

PaulKing wrote:

What's the problem Paul? Your snake oil vitimin sales not working out?

"What's the problem Paul? Your snake oil vitimin sales not working out?"

As I have NEVER sold anything that could be said to be true.

Perhaps I should join the con men selling car spray as enamel and HAART as
medications.

To Hell with humanity and morals, I could get rich too.

In article <96bb859a899c6c6378e566496e66977a@localhost.talkab outhealthnetwork.com>,
PaulKing <aimulti@aimultimedia.com> wrote:
So why not post the URL so we can see for ourselves?

--
David Canzi "Nonconformists travel as a rule in bunches. You rarely find
a nonconformist who goes it alone. And woe to him inside a
nonconformist clique who does not conform with nonconformity."
-- Eric Hoffer

Yeh right. Do you thhink I don't know why you want it?

Like I am going to invite you into another board.

You know the quote is true as DaveyBoy's site is end to end 'shopping ads
for junk' and pop up ads asking for donations.

Seems you will stand up for anyone so long as they are anti dissident even
if it is just a scam to get attention for their self serving site.

Subject : ALTHEAL APPEAL PLEASE POST ON WEBSITES

| |


Hi Mark

As promised here is the appeal, I have set up an email address that people
can send money to using PayPal. The appeal below contains the Altheal web
site address for general distribution purposes but it does not of course
need to be present when you post it on the Altheal site.

It would be a great help if members can email this appeal to some of those
whose email addresses appear on the Virusmyth Mbeki petition. This is what
I did to raise funds last time. Maybe people can coordinate amongst
themselves to choose petition signatories over particular date ranges.

Best wishes to all

John

--------------------------

Hello there

My name is John Kirkham, treasurer of the UK based AIDS dissident group
Altheal (www.altheal.org). This appeal comes to you because of the
pervasive ignorance, especially among patients, of vitally important
information questioning HIV/AIDS that would enable people to make truly
informed decisions regarding their own HIV positivity.

The AIDS establishment is denying people the opportunity to weigh up the
merits of this challenging information for themselves and our organisation
currently represents the only conduit in the UK for bringing this
information forward. Our organisation, and the Altheal site (a site which
has already made a prominent and valuable international impact upon
HIV/AIDS discourse) depend for their existence entirely upon donations
independent of pharmaceutical interests. If you genuinely care about the
abuse of patient rights, lack of access to information on effective
non-toxic AIDS therapy, lack of choice and provision of effective
non-toxic AIDS therapy, lack of informed consent etc. then we ask that you
contribute a small amount (say £5) each week to fund our activities and
help bring this liberating information to the people who can benefit from
it.

Our next planned activity is to hold a seminar on AIDS by medical doctor
Juliane Sacher from Frankfurt where we intend to address, among others,
the following issues:

What is AIDS?
Effective non-toxic AIDS treatment
Significance of the "viral load" and HIV tests
Flaws in the HIV/AIDS hypothesis

Such enlightening events cannot take place, and dissident movement in the
UK cannot develop, without your help. Whatever you can spare will be much
appreciated. Thank you.

How to donate:

If you live in the UK please send cheques (made out to J. Kirkham) to the
following address:

Altheal
c/o
James Whitehead,
40 A Josephine Avenue
London
SW2 2LA

You may also donate, wherever you live, using your credit card by going to
www.paypal.com and registering a free account with them for sending money
via email. Then click on the “Send Money” link and follow the instructions
to send your donation to the email address altheal.appeal@ntlworld.com

Paul, you posted a reply to somebody as a followup to your own
article, and included no contextual information from the article
you were responding to that might allow readers to identify it.
I will assume that you're responding to the following, posted by me:

| In article <96bb859a899c6c6378e566496e66977a@localhost.talkab outhealthnetwork.com>,
| PaulKing <aimulti@aimultimedia.com> wrote:
| >FROM A POST ON AN MSN BOARD
| >
| >""LOOK AT ME NOW! I started with nothing and now I am almost able to fully
| >support myself with sponsor ads alone (with several more months of work
| >and promotion I will be comfortable)."
|
| So why not post the URL so we can see for ourselves?

And you responded thus:

Your instant assumption that I was trying to get into one of your
closed boards is purely paranoid.

Underground rumours from secret web boards are not evidence.
Evidence must be accessible and trustworthy -- for example, at a
publically readable URL that is not under the control of people who
might be tempted to falsify evidence.

If somebody quoted daveyboy on a secret dissident web board, they
should have given the URL where they saw that quote. You could then
have posted that information here and we could have checked it.

Similarly, if you say daveyboy has been banned from all mainstream AIDS
organizations in Canada, or you say daveyboy is selling spray-painted
ornaments as enameled, you need to tell us how we can verify those
claims for ourselves.

Otherwise all we have is your word, and that's worth less than the
snot in my used kleenex.

--
David Canzi "Nonconformists travel as a rule in bunches. You rarely find
a nonconformist who goes it alone. And woe to him inside a
nonconformist clique who does not conform with nonconformity."
-- Eric Hoffer

PaulKing wrote:


That is what I meant by your snakeoil.

Actually it is on just about EVERY MSN 'AIDS' group. Take a look. Be my
guest.

HEAL UK is a reg. charity NOT a pan handler like Mr. DaveyBoy.

Alt Heal has full accounting and a corporate (Ltd) structure.

And the leaders of Heal Chapters in New York have been charged and convicted
of fraud a number of times.

Gary Stein

"PaulKing" <aimulti@aimultimedia.com> wrote in message
news:e3df133d00721e65f9e8acb73b93a05b@localhost.ta lkabouthealthnetwork.com...

That is a complete lie. I challenge you to show any evidence to support
your vile immoral lie.

You are a disgusting lier and low life.

I note that no one can defend DaveyBoy but simply try to deflect the truth
about this pathetic con man by posting unfounded attacks on dissidents.

We have all agreed that DaveyBoy is a small time con man and pan handler.

A blight on even the AIDS establishment.

In article <4dd519498a1ed5466992a2672bdf8c74@localhost.talkab outhealthnetwork.com>,
PaulKing <aimulti@aimultimedia.com> wrote:
I did a google search for the alleged quote and didn't find it.
I checked recent postings from a few MSN AIDS boards at random and
didn't find it.

MSN groups does not appear to provide a search capability. It's not
practical to eyeball search over 100 groups, with postings going back
months or years, for a quote allegedly posted to unnamed groups on
unspecified dates.

An honest man who wants to convince people of a belief tries to make
it easy for people to find the evidence that supports it. A dishonest
man lies about non-existent evidence, then waves a hand vaguely and
says the evidence is somewhere over there.

You have claimed that daveyboy is fraudulently selling spray painted
items as "enameled". You have claimed that daveyboy has been banned
from every mainstream AIDS group in Canada. Either provide credible
evidence for these (probably libelous) claims, or withdraw them.

--
David Canzi "Nonconformists travel as a rule in bunches. You rarely find
a nonconformist who goes it alone. And woe to him inside a
nonconformist clique who does not conform with nonconformity."
-- Eric Hoffer

In article <uW8Xc.820$Cc.454@trnddc07>,
Gary Stein <ge.stein@verizon.net> wrote:
This seems to have provoked quite an emotional reaction from Paul.
It's hard to imagine such a reaction from somebody not connected
to HEAL... maybe Paul's a member.

--
David Canzi "Nonconformists travel as a rule in bunches. You rarely find
a nonconformist who goes it alone. And woe to him inside a
nonconformist clique who does not conform with nonconformity."
-- Eric Hoffer

In article <071b92379265479f3408432b0eaa61f9@localhost.talkab outhealthnetwork.com>,
PaulKing <aimulti@aimultimedia.com> wrote:
No we haven't. Speak for yourself. I don't know enough about DaveyBoy
to decide either way.

When I ask you for evidence to support your opinions about DaveyBoy,
you can't provide any.

Wise men don't form opinions in the absence of evidence. I try my
best to imitate them.

--
David Canzi "Nonconformists travel as a rule in bunches. You rarely find
a nonconformist who goes it alone. And woe to him inside a
nonconformist clique who does not conform with nonconformity."
-- Eric Hoffer

In DaveyBoy's own words, from his public message boards...


http://www.poz.ca/help/cash-gifts.htm

End of that silly debate.DaveyBoy is a con man NO MATTER WHAT YOUR OPINION
ON 'AIDS' IS.

Plain and simple.

In article <uW8Xc.820$Cc.454@trnddc07>,
Gary Stein <ge.stein@verizon.net> wrote:
In all fairness, I must ask you if you can provide evidence for that.

--
David Canzi "Nonconformists travel as a rule in bunches. You rarely find
a nonconformist who goes it alone. And woe to him inside a
nonconformist clique who does not conform with nonconformity."
-- Eric Hoffer

On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 19:51:31 -0400, "PaulKing"
<aimulti@aimultimedia.com> wrote:

Your assertion, unproven. There is nothing wrong with asking for
money. People will choose to give or not.