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Posted by john



"GMCarter"

sums you up: People that can't find something to live for always seem to
find something to die for. The problem is, they usually want the rest of us
to die for it too.


Posted by GMCarter


On Wed, 2 Feb 2005 09:28:19 +0000 (UTC), "john"
<nospamoridiotss@vaccine.con> wrote:

So we can chat at our leisure. Presuming I choose to continue trying
to get you to open your eyes. I know. A futile gesture.

That make you a quack?

George M. Carter


Posted by HIV Positive


Oh dear. It looks like the distinction between HIV and AIDS is
getting even more blurred now.

<http://news.monstersandcritics.com/india/news/article_1299375.php/India_US_body_to_jointly_develop_AIDS_vaccine>:
"India Wednesday signed an agreement with the US-based International
AIDS Vaccine Initiative (IAVI) to develop an AIDS vaccine.

According to the ministry of science and technology, its Department of
Biotechnology (DBT) has tied up with IAVI to develop the vaccine."

You might think this was a poorly worded report by an over-eager
journalist. 'HIV and AIDS: it's all the same, isn't it?!' Some time
ago the two distinct terms were merged to become HIV/AIDS.

But it's no mistake: there's a whole website about the proposed "AIDS
vaccine" at <http://www.iavi.org/>. IAVI = International AIDS Vaccine
Initiative.
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Posted by GMCarter


On Thu, 03 May 2007 01:34:06 +0100, "HIV Positive"
<hiv.positive@gmail.com> wrote:

Wow. THAT's what you're going to use as a rationale for not getting
treatment?



Posted by HIV Positive


On Thu, 03 May 2007 10:11:39 GMT, GMCarter <fiar@verizon.net> wrote:
Erm, no. I have already explained my reasons for "not getting
treatment."

Do you have any other comments about the proposed "AIDS vaccine?" Is
it something you support?
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Posted by GMCarter


On Thu, 03 May 2007 13:19:10 +0100, "HIV Positive"
<hiv.positive@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually, no you haven't. You ran away from discussing what you think
caused your CD4 count to plunge below 100, if it isn't HIV. What then?

So "AIDS Vaccine" is a bit of a misnomer. Big deal. HIV vaccine is
more accurate. And an effective preventive or therapeutic HIV vaccine
would be simply grand (and potentially thwart the development of AIDS
and thus, could be considered an AIDS vaccine, if using the term
loosely.)

Unfortunately, a great deal of time and life has been wasted on
envelope vaccines that do not work. Other more modern approaches so
far, like adenoviral vectors and the like, have not stimulated robust
enough responses to be effective. So the target and the carriers have
been wrong/inadequate so far. I think the best target is p24, which
may result in a good therapeutic and possibly effective preventive
vaccine.

So far, I haven't seen one I'd say was worth trying.

George M. Carter


Posted by HIV Positive


On Thu, 03 May 2007 20:26:39 GMT, GMCarter <fiar@verizon.net> wrote:
I explained there's no such thing as a 'normal' CD4 count, and how
depression, stress, and other factors may have had an impact on mine.

Don't you remember I had to ask you THREE times what your CD4 count
was before you gave an answer. You eventually had to admit you don't
know. Perhaps yours is less than 100. I only know what mine is
because it's monitored. Does a high CD4 count mean I'm well and a low
CD4 count mean I'm poorly?

I'm not sure what all this has to do with treatment. It's impossible
to treat something that isn't there. Perhaps you should seek medical
help about your CD4 fixation.

Not accurate, just MORE accurate? You're learning.
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Posted by GMCarter


On Thu, 03 May 2007 22:50:53 +0100, "HIV Positive"
<hiv.positive@gmail.com> wrote:

LOL...you spun out a fantasy that suits you based on no data or
evidence whatsoever to support your claim.

My lympyhocyte, RBC and negative HIV antibody results do not indicate
CD4 monitoring nor do they suggest it is low. And others posted data
underscoring that below 100 is NOT normal.

And a low CD4 count means you are at very high risk for a potentially
lethal opportunistic infection.

LOL....you are pretty fucking stupid, you know that?

More precise.

Sorry you don't like the data. Even bigger pity you don't seem to rely
on any data whatsoever to support your denial of your HIV disease.

Unless you're lying about being HIV+, which is quite possible, given
your recent commentary, you may not live to see the end of summer.

George M. Carter


Posted by Brian Mailman


GMCarter wrote:

There's that, and it's also possible he's on anti-retrovirals already
(look at the song-and-dance around the OI prophy that he's just let slip
he was on despite the misspelling of the medications).

It would be quite handy to have a sock you could kill off, no?
"Someone" (again, posting from google groups using a webmail account to
*try* to hide the origin) could come in and try to play the guilt game,
a la David Pasquarelli, about how the "stress" of posting here did him in.

B/

Posted by HIV Positive


I'm still alive. I'm fit and healthy. What more evidence can I give
than that?

So you keep telling me.

So you keep telling me.

Why do you think I'm lying?

Interestingly, a few weeks ago you speculated that I only had twelve
months to live. Now you've reduced your estimate by at least six
months.

According to this website
<http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/astronomy/AutumnalEquinox.html>
Summer ends on the 22nd September, and Autumn (Fall) begins on the
23rd September. Those dates are confirmed by several other websites.

I've made a note of them in my diary. I'll let you know if I'm still
alive then.
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Posted by HIV Positive


On Fri, 04 May 2007 11:50:23 -0700, Brian Mailman
<bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote:
Did I misspell them? Which ones?

I don't know why you say I "let slip" I was taking antibiotics. I
mentioned in this newsgroups at the beginning of March I'd been
prescribed Septrin and was taking it.

<fd53v29v6eus4me3738rc6sndvn5s16ino@4ax.com>:

"I was prescribed Septrin (Co-trimoxazole), which I've been taking for
a few weeks now."

I have just checked, and must admit I didn't mention I had taken
Dapsone. I thought I had, I did elsewhere, but obviously not here.

I did not intend to mislead anyone. Septrin and Dapsone are not ART,
they are simply antibiotics. I am not anti-medication for the sake of
it. If I have a headache I take Paracetamol; I take Prozac to ease my
depression; I take Zopiclone to help me sleep; and I used Ventoline
and Qvar 50 inhalers to treat my asthma, but that problem disappeared
about six months ago.

It's not something I've thought about. However, I'm certain there's
at least one person here using more than one alias.
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Posted by Death



"HIV Positive" <hiv.positive@gmail.com> wrote in message
I told you if you hung around long enough, you would
come to that conclusion on your own.

Sense child-hood I've heard the expression, it is the clucking
hen that laid the egg.



Posted by GMCarter


On Fri, 04 May 2007 21:25:41 +0100, "HIV Positive"
<hiv.positive@gmail.com> wrote:

Darling, those are almost precisely the words Pasquarelli used to use.



Posted by Martin


On Fri, 04 May 2007 09:36:03 GMT, GMCarter <fiar@verizon.net> wrote:
<http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/health-news/antidepressants-may-help-body-fight-hiv-and-cancer-826254.html>:

----- Begin Quote -----

Antidepressant drugs may help the immune system fight serious illness,
research suggests. They enhance the activity of natural killer cells,
key elements of the immune system, and could help the body combat
infections such as HIV, and even cancer

[...]

The research emerged from findings that stress and depression impair
NK cell function and can accelerate the progress of HIV/Aids.

----- End Quote -----

Admittedly this refers to depression accelerating HIVAIDS, rather than
causing CD4 depletion. However, this information does call into
question Killer Carter's insinuation that depression has no effect on
the immune system.
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Posted by Death



"Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message

http://www.fiar.us/

you attack Killer Karter a year later, shame on you.

.......and yes, I remember him singing durges............



Posted by Martin


On Tue, 13 May 2008 11:08:18 -0500, "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net>
wrote:
Is he dead?

Nothing's been posted to his fiarytale website since last year.

Bagsie I write his obituary.
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<http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/>
4,869 days and counting...

Posted by Death



"Martin" <martin@hiv-poz.co.uk> wrote in message
news:371.1210704617.20080513@hiv-poz.co.uk...
unknown, I looked on the fiar web page to see if he had posted anything
new.

I wish Carter well, I trust he is ok. I disagreed with some of the
things he said but, that, in and of it-self should not be a death-sentence.

oh shit, back to singing durges...............
I understood Killer was posting to another group some months back.
If you have time look up ole Karter in a google search and see if
that is true.



Posted by Martin


On Tue, 13 May 2008 16:10:46 -0500, "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net>
wrote:

[Killer Carter]

Google Groups doesn't have anything posted by him after 7 September
2007. Previous to that he often posted several hundred Usenet
articles a month, but went quiet and then disappeared after making a
tit of himself here last May.

See:
<http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=Ig5ZPBAAAADLL0aVS2PpfCJm5ObxLiM1> .
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Posted by Martin


On Tue, 13 May 2008 11:08:18 -0500, "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net>
wrote:

I get bored. There's only you and Mitch here to keep me company.
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<http://www.hiv-poz.co.uk/>
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