In a quest to drop the spare tire, I've taken to walking about fifteen
minutes a day carrying two 10kg weights. I walk quickly, and can feel my
heart thumping away, so I know I'm at least getting a good aerobic
workout.

I'm looking to accelerate my progress with a dietary suppliment, and am
looking for recommendations as to what actually works. (E.g., what's the
story with chitosan or ephedrine?) I have no other health problems, and
don't drink or smoke. Ideally I'd like something that increases
motabolism without increasing the desire to eat more.

I prefer generic sources of products, so point any out.

(I also remember some study to the effect that unless fat cells are
actually destroyed, "food cravings" remain unchanged, and that diets
which simply result in fat cells becoming smaller won't work in the long
run. True?)

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Mike18XX wrote:
22 lbs each hand?? Good grief!! Much too much weight. Unless
you are 400lbs!
First, get Leonard Schwartz' book HeavyHands. Then switch to
5 lb weights, and move them *very* fast, as in martial arts. Less wear
and tear on your body/back, MUCH more muscle building, less stress on
the heart.

All these products use derivatives of amphetamines, which
themselves are derivatives of adrenaline/epinephrine. They work, but at
significant health risk, natural or not.
It is virtually impossible increase metabolism via supplements
in any healthy way. Most of the really effective drugs ("uncoupling
agents") have caused death. Activity is the best bet.

Probably true, to some extent, varying among individuals. But
some people shed large amounts of weight and never look back! Also, fat
cells are never destroyed, and will replicate when fully engorged.
Nature abhors a vacuum, so the tendency to fill them up likely exists.
But lifestyle can shift the urge. Not easy tho.


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"Screachy Preachy" <physical3.14@erols.com> wrote in message
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Less weight builds more muscle? You are back to being a fucking moron.

Wrong!

No they haven't fucktard!

In article <mike1-80DEF0.00562704072003@phswest.com>, Mike18XX wrote:
If you can hear your heart thumping while you WALK, something is not
right. Unless you walk uphill perhaps, and even then.

Let me offer you some thoughts that are stricly based on my
experience. I lost 20 lbs so far and have 20 more to go.

- There is no substitute for spending more calories than you eat.

- Many foods sold in America are designed to stimulate appetite or
thirst. For example, soft drinks make you want more. Anything with
sugar in it causes more food cravings. Things like pringles etc, make
you want more and more of them. All that was designed consciously by
marketers. So, avoid all processed snacks, and avoid absolutely
everything containing sugar. I mean everything, unless sugar is in
minute amounts. Try not to buy any processed foods.

- There is nothing wrong with being hungry. If you are hungry, that
means that you have a calorie deficit and that is a good thing. So, if
you are hungry at 9pm, 10pm, and 11pm, and then you go to bed hungry,
there is nothing wrong with it. In fact, that's how our ancestors
lived. Just learn to be hungry and deal with it.

- Walking a couple of hours per day is good for you. I walk to train
from home (40 min one way) and from train to work (10 more min), same
on the way back. At 90-95 degrees during the day, it is a good
workout. Plus I walk with my son. 95 degrees is pretty much nothing to
him. (he is 2 years old). I would hate him to be wimpy and use A/C in
cars etc.

- Develop a daily diet that is of relatively low variety. That helps
control what you eat more precisely, and also somewhat suppresses the
appetite. Like, I eat a piece of bread with something on it in the
morning, plus some fruits. Same for dinner. Lunch is of more variety
but it is always something home cooked.

- Do not eat absolutely anything after 6pm. No excuses are
accepted. If you are hungry, drink water.

Like I said, this is based on my personal experience. The reward that
I get from losing 20 lbs is immense, I feel several years younger, I
am more comfortable, my mood is great for no reason, I want to jump
etc. It is highly worth not being able to eat pringles and chocolate
and whatever else marketers want me to eat, and going to bed slightly
hungry.

I also bake my own sourdough bread, which is very tasty and feels
healthier.

i

More crap in one post than I have seen a quite a long time.

lol

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On Fri, 04 Jul 2003 02:41:29 -0400, Screachy Preachy
<physical3.14@erols.com> wrote:

At 12:50 PM -0400 7/4/03, Steve Freides wrote:

I'm actually not interested in bulking up muscle-wise. I just want to
compress the work-out time-wise, and the weights make a 15-minute walk
seems like an hour one.


The theory was that a correlation existed between hunger cravings and
number of fat cells; and that diets tended to fail because weight loss,
when it occurred, merely represented shrinking fat cells (meaning hunger
cravings remained undiminished), rather than destroyed fat cells. The
goal, accordingly, was to destroy fat cells and thereby reduce cravings.

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Ignoramus18320 <ignoramus18320@NOSPAM.18320.invalid> wrote:


I walk very fast with the weights (I purposely swing them quickly, then
haul them back short and swing them the other way, etc). I plan to
graduate to jogging with them.

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In article <3F052199.5CB6@erols.com>,
Screachy Preachy <physical3.14@erols.com> wrote:


That's the muscle I'm most interested in beefing up.

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On Sat, 05 Jul 2003 01:03:54 -0500, Mike18XX <mike1@usfamily.net>
wrote:

So lipo is a dieting tool?

Mike18XX wrote:
First, stressing a muscle and developing it are two different
things.
Next, Garrison's Physics 101 book--stolen from the local public
liberry--is holding up his mildewed couch in the trailer home he shares
with his mom, so he don't understand Newton's Laws too good--likely
never heard of them.
If'n you're going to LIFT weights, yeah, heavier is generally
better, up to a point.
If'n you're going to WALK with weights, keep them to 5 lbs. MAX;
even 3 lbs is one helluva workout, incredible pump.
Your heart will be developed as a RESULT of developing the rest of
your body--differently with diff. strategies, of course.

These two effing morons Mu and Garrison scream WRONG, NO IT'S NOT,
bleat, bleat, but don't provide the info--and certainly not the logic.
Uncouplers were hastily withdrawn from the market, with mega mega
lawsuits.
Amphetamines and their relatives do work--talk to a knowledgeable
doctor about the consequences.

But the stuff from Pat Heil, Rob S, Steve, Ignoramus all contained
interesting very useful stuff.

Steve doesn't give HeavyHands the credit I do, but then I do
HeavyHands slightly differently than Schwartz did it: Heavy
boxing/martial arts moves: *very* fast, *full power* (after a long HH
warmup!), lots of curls, very jerky quick motions--important! These
generate tremendous forces, much moreso on the eccestric phase than on
the concentric (ie, stopping the punch as opposed to throwing it), but
still overall outtasight.
Takes some practice and rhythm, and an eye toward what motions
are key and which ones are superfluous, but Schwartz' book is an
excellent place to start. For example, in hooks and crosses, you should
vary your stopping points at different points along the arc, to stress
the muscle in its full ROM--actually this is true with most of the
motions, but it is especially fun and effective in the hooks and
crosses. And rotate the hooks/crosses in a variety of planes to catch as
many of the related muscles as possible. Lot of subtlety to the HH
technique--lots of physics!
Look at Schwartz' pictures; you can, over time, develop that type
of physique, assuming you have a suitable body type. Not something I
readily concede to with many products/nethods. He was also a little
dehydrated and too low on BF% in those pictures, and may have even
pumped a little real iron (hey, he's got books to sell!), but the
potential for that type of muscularity is there using HH. But even if
you don't have that bodytype, you will still get the same *benefits*,
altho they might not show as much. Very important point.
Awesome quote!

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On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 17:13:25 -0400, Screachy Preachy
<physical3.14@erols.com> wrote:

lol

That should say all that's required about this idiot.

"*Mu*" <MuIsNotChung@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Maybe it is the fermented juices of the fabled liberry plant is what he has
been drinking.

On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 19:36:12 -0400, "Bob Garrison" <bobgar@nsyahoo.com>
wrote:

And all that is required to know you too.

On Mon, 07 Jul 2003 04:24:24 -0400, Screachy Preachy
<physical3.14@erols.com> wrote:

<rolling eyes>

*Mu* wrote:
What, you want me to explain the *pitchers* to you as well??
Here's a surprise: Schwartz' book uses stick figures as well.
Give it a shot.
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Gordon L. Richard wrote:

Interesting concept.
Not to mention likely upping the ante for sweetness, so that
when it's time to use regular sugar, you probably have to use more.
Along those lines, I had to forcibly ween myself off Log Cabin
syrups, when someone gave me maple syrup right outta the tree, and it
tasted awful to me. I then knew something was wrong. Now, Log Cabin
tastes wierd.
Artificial anything is dicey. Looking at the structures of some
of the food colorings in the Merck can give you the willies, and some
cause distinct problems. Artificial flavors, while sometimes harmless
esters, can also be pretty wild, structurally.
I am sufficiently diligent in avoiding this stuff that when I
ingest it by accident, I can usually tell. Slice Orange soda is
deadly. I think you might glow in the dark after drinking one.
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