tintinet <tintinet1@iwon.com> wrote in message news:35f5861e.0306220905.7506a716@posting.google.c om...
Actually not harsh enough. Those of us who are old enough observed
the gradual change in the way medicine is practiced. The most abrupt
change was abandoning the 'house call'. Never mind why, it is a milestone
in the change of attitude and emphasis in medicine to eventually reach
the point where we are now, with a primary goal of maximizing the
flow of patients through the doctor's office and the trend toward
depersonalization.

I get more personal attention when getting my car repaired!

It's NOT reasonable to expect 'everyone' in the population to learn
'preventive medicine'. When 'everyone' is responsible, then no one
is responsible.

Al

"Al Hephy" <ahephy@freewweb.invalid> wrote
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Precisely!

We are lead to believe from the assembly line mentality of Modern
Medicine that there is a shortage of doctors, when if anything there
are clearly too many hospitals and too many physicians in the major
metropolitan areas of the US. And, that these wonderfully greedy
people are so desperate for money, eh ... help, that medical residents
routinely work 80 hours weeks. And, that patients should be grateful
for being treated by a sleep deprived person totally unqualified to
diagnose because formerly they were working 120 hour work weeks!

Impersonal treatment by Modern Medicine equates to treating Name Tags,
Medical Charts, and Computer Analyses of test results (aka treating
the diagnose) rather than treating the person standing before them.
This is precisely why there are so many medical errors committed in
hospitals, these days.
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In article <3EF707DF.8080405@want.spam.com>,
Doug Brooks <dont@want.spam.com> wrote:
The most bizarre thing is that not long ago they wanted medical schools
to graduate less doctors claiming a glut. This alone seems like a violation
of the oath. When medical care is suffering through lack of doctors, to
try to tighten the supply even more is simply unethical.

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johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com (N-H-P) wrote in message news:<16a9b594.0306221717.3edd0608@posting.google. com>...
Actually, there were, quite likely and almost certainly, MORE medical
errors in the past than there are now, decision for decision and
treatment for treatment. We are simply better at recognizing the
errors these days.

Doug Brooks <dont@want.spam.com> wrote in message news:3EF707DF.8080405@want.spam.com...
Want to have a go at WHY malpractice insurance is sky-high?
Al

Al Hephy wrote:
I would say the tort system is the biggest factor.

"Al Hephy" <ahephy@freewweb.invalid> wrote

Transplanting organs where the blood type does not match.

Operating on the wrong patient.

Surgeons carving initials on the bellies of female patients.

Leaving sponges and other tools inside obese patients after an
operation.

Hospital staff needlessly giving elderly patients pneumonia by
intentionally exposing them to too much air conditioning and other
drafts.

Cutting off the wrong leg, on the correct patient.

Giving a patient the WRONG medication, or the wrong dosage.

Entering the wrong coordinates in the CT scanner.

And, let us not forget physicians making the WRONG diagnoses.
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"N-H-P" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in message
news:16a9b594.0306232018.444e4863@posting.google.c om...
What's your point? Anyone who reads the newspaper could produce a far longer
list than that. But what you need to do is prove your assertion that these
mistakes are more common now than in the past and how that translates to
higher malpractice awards and therefore higher premiums. You can't just rail
against medical "buffoons" without backing up your claims or you just look
stupid.

HMc

"Mike Leake" <maleake@aol.com> wrote in
news:TUGdndrpPaVUXmqjXTWJiQ@comcast.com:

Those figures are somewhat inflated by the fact that the US is one of the
few countries that doesn't make a distinction between barristers and
solicitors. If you just look at admissions to the bar, you'll get a
misleading picture because in most countries those who practice transaction
law rather than trial law (e.g. most corporate lawyers) aren't admitted to
the bar.

"Howard McCollister" <nospam@nospam.net> wrote
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I responded to Hephy's question.

Yeah, the list of physician stupidity goes on for ever.

That is what the Medical profession needs to do.

Your mind control tricks don't work on me.

Of course the real reason for the sharp rise in the cost of
malpractice awards is the ever increasing depersonalized medical
experience.

When you have to pay top dollar the public wont tolerate *any*
mistakes. They certainly wont put up with the really really stupid
mistakes caused by depersonalized medicine.
--
John Gohde,
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The ONLY Frauds in Health are those who couldn't care less about
prevention.

Doug Brooks <dont@want.spam.com> wrote in message news:3EF76B55.6050907@want.spam.com...
And you would be right, of course, but would not explain
the great disparity between medical lawsuits and all
other liability cases combined. Just the numbers are a
clue for any thinking person. Clearly not enough is being
done to weed out incompetents and too much is being
done to cover up for them.

Very strong 'union' at work.

Al

Al Hephy wrote:
Are doctors raising patients' expectations regarding the benefits of
screening, drugs, surgery, other medical procedures unrealistically? Do
patients believe that they will become virtually immortal and somehow
die in perfect health when they do finally die if they do everything the
doctor says?

Ob-gyns are among the most often sued physicians even though the numbers
of bad outcomes haven't increased significantly over the last 50 years.
Why do prospective parents believe they will have a "perfect" outcome?
Because they have been convinced by those same doctors that obstetric
medicine is far more reliable/scientific than it actually is and that if
you follow all of the doctor's instructions and do exactly as you are
told, your baby will be perfect? So when the result is less than perfect
you figure someone must have done something wrong and it wasn't you so
it must have been the doctor?

Misdiagnosis is not medical malpractice. It may be bad practice but not
malpractice. There is no negligence, just a practicioner doing his job
poorly.

"N-H-P" <johngohde@naturalhealthperspective.com> wrote in message
news:16a9b594.0306240312.29355da8@posting.google.c om...

"Terri" <vl-hb001@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3EF8456E.C6EF481@erols.com...
Lawyer TV ads help promote the perception that the doctor is
the cause of anything going wrong. We get those ads a lot here in my area of
the midatlantic states.

Terri wrote:

Hi again: I have also noted that there is a small portion of society that
Spends much of their lives SUEING anyone that crosses their paths for one
phoney reason or another. Some ARE lejitimate...but MANY are NOT!

Admittedly, there is a large portion of medical mal-practices. I have run across
TWO such individuals and groups. Kaiser Permanente went out of BIZ
because they were very careless as a general rule. They even caused me major
stroke in the 1960's that still hangs on in the form of partial partial paralysis
brought by a STROKE caused by :liquid DYE used in the veins allegedly to
"SEE" the blood better..SAY WHAT??? What a goofy idea!

The NEWER generations just graduating SEEM to be MUCH better due the
histrionics involved over the last 20 years or more.. Prices are higher as well!
Where will it END?? Quien Sabe' Blessings! Trebor M
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Doug Brooks <dont@want.spam.com> wrote in message news:<3EF707DF.8080405@want.spam.com>...


Yes, there's a shortage of doctors and yes, it's due to the AMA.

If it wasn't the case, then doctors would be like many scientists and
engineers, underemployed, facing constant age discrimination, and
declining wages. This is the reason why I'm in medical school today. I
have a BS/MS in chemical engineering and have left both the
engineering and computer fields for a stable career where I can earn
$100K/yr up until retirement. Many of my former colleagues are better
at organic chemistry and applied mathematics than 90%+ of all MDs but
unlike their medical counterparts, they have fewer if any
opportunities esp after the age of forty. In fact, many are currently
unemployed.

Terri <vl-hb001@erols.com> wrote in message news:3EF8456E.C6EF481@erols.com...
Surely we have the right to expect a physician to be as competent
as a mid-wife! Sometimes juries decide they are not.

A curious point that tort reformers don't seem to want to discuss
is that the record shows that more than 90% of malpractice cases
never go to court -- they're settled by negotiation. Why is that?
It almost seems like pleading guilty, doesn't it.

Al