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Herbal Supplements May Have Caused Frenship Coach's Liver Failure

ABC 28 has been reporting on how coach Jimmy Curtis got his transplant, but
there's been little information on why he needed this transplant in the
first place.

Coach Curtis' wife says he does not drink and he does not have hepititis,
which are the two common reasons people need a new liver. Instead, she says
doctors are now telling the family that herbal supplements may have
contributed to the coach's liver damaged.

For several years, Frenship assistant baseball coach Jimmy Curtis took the
herbal supplements ALJ and LBS II, both products from the Nature's Sunshine
Company. His family bought them on the internet. He, his wife, and even his
children took them to help manage their allergies.

"Nana Weedkiller" <nanaweedkiller@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Please do not miss the key words here. "MAY HAVE CAUSED"

Perhaps the "idiots" who want to use any supplement could read the
literature? Naw, it's much better to blame someone else.

In article <k78Wa.28811$Mc.2249769@newsread1.prod.itd.earthli nk.net>,
tools <medtools@earthlink.net> wrote:
Given the number of different products we all encounter every day, and
the various other demands on our time, it's nonsensical to think that
we also have the time to become experts on everything we use. It is
not, however, unreasonable to expect the producers of products to be
familiar with the details.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

So you're saying that we don't have to take responsibility for anything we
take into our bodies because we don't have time??
If we were given a prescription bottle, we would read the dosage and the
warnings. Why don't people do the same with natural supplements? Just
because it's natural doesn't mean it's not harmful if overdosed.

RESPONSIBILITY. That's what we are lacking. Hence McDonald's being sued for
causing obesity. Get a grip on reality, people.

Virginia
"Forgiveness is easier to obtain than permission."

www.thedesignuniverse.com

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In article <viqj5r3hcp4915@corp.supernews.com>,
Virginia <vodine@direct.ca> wrote:
No, dear dimwit, I am not saying that.

Do you know for a fact that the bottle in question had such warnings
on it? Prescription drugs come with a whole raft of cautions about
who should avoid the drug and possible side-effects. You don't tend
to see this with alternative remedies.

OK -- and if you ever get ripped off by an auto mechanic, it's your
own fault for not being an expert on car repairs. If your house has
radon in the basement, it's your fault for not being a geologist.
If your roof leaks, it's your own fault for not being an expert
engineer and construction worker.

This merely goes back to my earlier point that there is no way for us
to become experts about everything. It is not unreasonable for us to
expect producers of products to fail to take proper precautions in
removing hazardous ingredients.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)




Maybe so -- but I don't forgive you for your sanctimonious attitude.

"David Wright" <wright@clam.prodigy.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 4 Aug 2003 9:47:35 -0400, tools wrote (in message
<XttXa.131548$Io.11197136@newsread2.prod.itd.earth link.net>):

[in response to the following statement included in a longer posting in this
thread]

Prescription drugs come with a whole raft of cautions about who should avoid
the drug and possible side-effects. You don't tend to see this with
alternative remedies.

Although not on the bottle, a prescription should be accompanied by an
information sheet in which side-effects and such are detailed.

-- James L. Ryan -- TaliesinSoft

tools wrote:

Wrong, tools. We get a two page printout along with every prescription.

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In article <XttXa.131548$Io.11197136@newsread2.prod.itd.earth link.net>,
tools <medtools@earthlink.net> wrote:
Oh, pardonnez moi for a lack of total precision. But every
prescription I get these days is accompanied by this info, though
it's a separate sheet and not directly on the bottle.

Which says nothing about whether the offending "remedy" had any
such warnings with it. I somehow doubt it did.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

tools wrote:


All the customers at the pharmacy we use.

"Mark Probert" <markprobert@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
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vitamins, mineral supplements and therapies had a "two page" printout with
every one? No problem, sounds like a good idea. Write your very responsive
congress person. I'm sure they will pass such a law immediately.

Angela says: Baycol had a two page printout. Lot of good that did.

IMO pharmacists are even more brain-washed than the doctors. It is
very difficult for pharmacists to "believe" that anything except drugs
might work. They are too busy "believing" in the drugs. There is
only so much "belief" one can have.

However, if something works, it works. You don't have to waste your
energy "believing" it.

Best wishes. Angela

....There is no such thing as common good...

tools wrote:

Alas, it will not be done. In 1993, when non-pharmaceutical chemcials
were deregulated, this became impossible. Imagine the outcry amonst the
herbies and Alties if they were forced to provide this. They would bleat
and bray at the expense, even though their profit margins are greater
than the pharmaceuticals (profit margins without R&D costs, government
compliance costs, etc. are inherently higher).

But, it is a good idea, and, since I favor one standard, that of safe
and effective, Ishould hope it would become the law of the land.

It won't.

In article <SlNXa.34177$Mc.2727914@newsread1.prod.itd.earthli nk.net>,
tools <medtools@earthlink.net> wrote:

So it does. But does it contain a nice long list of side-effects and
contraindications? Not the ones I've seen.

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
These are my opinions only, but they're almost always correct.
"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

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"tools" <medtools@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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In Canada, almost all do.
erf

tools wrote:


Change stores.

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