I saw several posts about 'iron overload' and toxic effects of iron in SM
and MHA.

Is the whole stuff just total BS made up by some FANATIC vegetarians and
other kooks?

"Mr. 4X" wrote:

Here's a good web page on the subject:
http://www.victorherbert.com/hemochrom.htm

Mr. 4X writes:

No, iron overload is a real disorder, but it's pretty rare except in
people who have a congenital defect that interferes with their ability
to eliminate iron or encourages its accumulation in the body. For
people who are normal, iron overload is generally a non-issue.

One exception is children, who can develop iron toxicity from, say, an
overdose of children's vitamins with iron (this can happen to adults,
too, but they have to overdose a lot more, and they are less likely to
do so).

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Mxsmanic wrote:

It is NOT rare. Quoting from:
http://www.victorherbert.com/hemochrom.htm

"Approximately 12% of the U.S. population (including approximately
20% Irish-Americans and approx. 30% Afro-Americans) have a gene
enhancing intestinal absorption of iron (an “H”[hemochromatosis] gene) ."

In article <Xns943BE6F6F16F2mr4x@195.228.240.20>,
Mr. 4X <random.brzh@sfio.invalid.com> wrote:
As others have mentioned, hemochromatosis is a real disease.

However, there is also a poster named Tom whose email ID is
"ironjustice." He's on a crusade to prove that every known health
problem is caused by iron. Him you can ignore.

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In article <srpvrv430rs9kuf6cvrgrse11augnj0bru@4ax.com>,
Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@hotmail.com> wrote:
Iron poisoning is now the most common cause of childhood poisoning in
the US (aspirin poisoning used to be, but iron overdose has overtaken
it).

-- David Wright :: alphabeta at prodigy.net
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"If I have not seen as far as others, it is because giants
were standing on my shoulders." (Hal Abelson, MIT)

Mark Thorson writes:

Symptomatic hemochromatosis is uncommon. Perhaps one person in two
hundred has inherited the disorder; of those, it's not clear how many
will develop clinical disease. The genetic incidence thus makes it
about four times less commoon than, say, epilepsy, and of those with the
genes, not all will necessarily manifest the disorder. Mortality from
HHC is about 2000 times lower than the incidence of the disorder (that
is, less than two people out of every million will die of the effects of
hemochromatosis.

So I suppose that if you consider epilepsy to be an extremely common
disease, then hemochromatosis is moderately common. Actual death or
disability from the disorder is much less common.

I prefer quotes from large, established institutions with impeccable
credentials in the field of medicine, not from individuals with a Web
site.

The gene must be inherited from both parents in order to produce the
disorder. And only a tiny fraction of those with the disorder
ultimately are killed by it (and hence, by extension, we may assume that
relatively few of those with the disorder are actually sickened by it,
but I don't have those numbers, and neither, apparently, does Herbert).

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David Wright writes:

I recall that those Flintstones vitamins always tempted me--they tasted
just like candy! The best-tasting vitamins when I was a child, though,
were some strange vitamin K supplements that I took before having my
tonsils out--they tasted orange, and that's all I remember.

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David Wright writes:

I thought every known health problem was caused by amalgam dental
fillings. Or was it carbohydrates in food? I'm confused.

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In article <fa60svokulid1emqm4nsqm880inm0o8pvs@4ax.com>,
Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@hotmail.com> wrote:
Silly boy -- it's caused by toxins in the environment. Don't you know
nothin'?

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wright@clam.prodigy.net (David Wright) wrote:

No, no... everyone knows it's vaccines and the huge conspiracy between
greedy doctors, the corrupt FDA, and evil drug companies.

You've been here how long and you don't know that?

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 00:58:13 -0500, Carey Gregory
<tiredofspam123@comcast.net> wrote:

I thought it was celiac disease!

PF

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 07:13:44 GMT, pfriley@watt-not.com (PF Riley)
posted:

It's the govt trying to drug us with con trails from high flying
aircraft.

David Wright writes:

Not toxins in the environment; toxins in _breastmilk_, which destroys
the brains of the world's youth. Everyone ends up with fibromyalgia and
has to take prescription painkillers and anxiolytics forever.

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Carey Gregory writes:

But it's the _mercury_ in the vaccines, not the vaccines themselves. It
combines with amalgam to make individuals attractive targets for alien
abduction. Billions of hapless victims are two miles beneath Dulce, NM,
right now, in Nightmare Hall, being turned into five-legged monsters by
reptilian ETs. It was just such ETs who helped Lee Oswald kill John
Kennedy with a paralysing mind-control ray, focused on a previous
implant made in Kennedy's pineal gland during a dental visit to a
practitioner who happend to be a Freemason and Trilateral member during
his youth.

What have I forgotten?

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PF Riley writes:

Most celiac disease is just an atypical presentation of ADHD or
post-polio syndrome, and it is usually accompanied by fibromyalgia.
Nothing that lots of prescription painkillers and anxiolytics can't fix,
though.

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In article <g621sv4sa8n1es2cuordggq45sn6bd8sqs@4ax.com>,
Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@hotmail.com> wrote:
Well, you left out the Bilderburg group, and the Queen of England
being at the center of the International Drug Cartel, but aside from
that, it wasn't bad.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

And your source of information is?

Herbert cites refereed scientific literature to back up
his statements. He is a distinguished scientist with
a long publication record. I'd prefer to trust him over
someone who posts under a pseudonym in newsgroups
with "facts" that appear to be made up.

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:20:11 +0100, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@hotmail.com>
wrote:

ADHD causes intestinal villous atrophy and growth failure reversible
by gluten elimination?

PF

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 11:15:36 +0100, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic@hotmail.com>
wrote:

Did you hear that even BREASTMILK is mostly composed of dihydrogen
monoxide?!?!

http://www.dhmo.org/

PF