Rose wrote:
everybody else means the same, which is possibly a dangerous or at any rate
misleading thing to do.

btw I am in the UK.

activity level, not an exact number for everybody, therefore.
--
Al.
Idiopathic t1
HbA1c 5.95
Total Chol 2.7
Blood Pressure 105/70 (usually)
Beef Lente 1x
Beef Neutral 2x

Rose wrote:
everybody else means the same, which is possibly a dangerous or at any rate
misleading thing to do.

btw I am in the UK.

activity level, not an exact number for everybody, therefore.
--
Al.
Idiopathic t1
HbA1c 5.95
Total Chol 2.7
Blood Pressure 105/70 (usually)
Beef Lente 1x
Beef Neutral 2x

"Rose" <rosebobh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Net carbs. Now keep in mind that you only have to subtract the fiber if you
live in the U.S. Elsewhere, it has already been done for you.

--
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"Rose" <rosebobh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Net carbs. Now keep in mind that you only have to subtract the fiber if you
live in the U.S. Elsewhere, it has already been done for you.

--
Type 2
http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

"Julie Bove" <jnospambove@bestweb.net> wrote in message
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Not here, we have to subtract fibre also. Oops that's
Australia for those who don't know me.
When I speak of carbs it is net also, I guess we should
start writing - x carbs (net).

"Julie Bove" <jnospambove@bestweb.net> wrote in message
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Not here, we have to subtract fibre also. Oops that's
Australia for those who don't know me.
When I speak of carbs it is net also, I guess we should
start writing - x carbs (net).

Al Hardy wrote:

Drugs are marketed to doctors here in the UK, but it's a much more
understated, low-key approach than you see in the States [born & raised
there, living here for 20 years]. Here it tends to take the form of a
mailing from HappiDrug Company Ltd saying something along the lines of
"we are now producing Ecstazine, to cure everything from the common cold
to leprosy. Here is lots of paperbumpf about it, and some nice
scratchpads and pens with our name and logo on it. Please prescribe it
to make your patients happier and healthier." In the US, it tends to
take the form of HappiDrug Company Inc rep coming to doctor's office,
saying something along the lines of "my company is producing Ecstazine,"
etc, etc, more paperbumpf, scratchpads and pens. Difference of
approach, rather than intent.

Altogether too many cases like this, where potentially devastating
side-effects must not be allowed to get in the way of corporate profits.
I haven't read this one, but have read some others that make you just
want to sit down and weep.

Lordy, lordy, I don't think I put away that much carb when I was hauling
around hay bales and feed sacks [used to work with animals - heavy
navvying involved]. At the moment, I'm averaging between 75 and 125 g
per day, and trying to keep to the lower end.

Thanks for the info.


Maggie






--
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

Al Hardy wrote:

Drugs are marketed to doctors here in the UK, but it's a much more
understated, low-key approach than you see in the States [born & raised
there, living here for 20 years]. Here it tends to take the form of a
mailing from HappiDrug Company Ltd saying something along the lines of
"we are now producing Ecstazine, to cure everything from the common cold
to leprosy. Here is lots of paperbumpf about it, and some nice
scratchpads and pens with our name and logo on it. Please prescribe it
to make your patients happier and healthier." In the US, it tends to
take the form of HappiDrug Company Inc rep coming to doctor's office,
saying something along the lines of "my company is producing Ecstazine,"
etc, etc, more paperbumpf, scratchpads and pens. Difference of
approach, rather than intent.

Altogether too many cases like this, where potentially devastating
side-effects must not be allowed to get in the way of corporate profits.
I haven't read this one, but have read some others that make you just
want to sit down and weep.

Lordy, lordy, I don't think I put away that much carb when I was hauling
around hay bales and feed sacks [used to work with animals - heavy
navvying involved]. At the moment, I'm averaging between 75 and 125 g
per day, and trying to keep to the lower end.

Thanks for the info.


Maggie






--
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

"Ozgirl" <news_onlyxx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:brt31k$7735o$1@ID-139901.news.uni-berlin.de...
Really? I thought they made that adjustment already there. I stand
corrected.

--
Type 2
http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

"Ozgirl" <news_onlyxx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Really? I thought they made that adjustment already there. I stand
corrected.

--
Type 2
http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

Jenny wrote:

There are several problems here that are interrelated [I've lived in the
US and the UK, so can only speak of what I've found in these two
countries; things may well be different elsewhere].

1) Many of us have grown up being told that "doctor knows best", and we
should just meekly take our medicine, not ask questions, and go off and
be nice quiet little guinea pigs [more of a problem in the UK than the
US, generally, but present in both countries].

2) Many of us have grown up without being told that we need take any
responsibility at all for our own health and well-being, the doctor will
have a pill that will sort everything out, so there's no reason for us
to do without anything or moderate our behaviour in any way [US version:
you can have it all, you should have it all, go for it, and damn the
consequences; UK version: whatever you do, it won't make a blind bit of
difference, so do what you like, and damn the consequences].

3) Most of us who get through the school system on either side of the
Atlantic get only the most basic grounding in biology, and that is
fairly abstract, in that it isn't related directly to the realities of
our lives. I managed to pass my high school biology exams, and can even
still explain how the Krebs cycle works [it's not called that anymore,
I'm showing my age!], and I know it's important for converting food into
usable energy within the cell. Since leaving school, this subject has
never come up in a casual conversation, at a party, down the pub, or
anywhere else, and it tells me nothing useful about managing my general
health or my diabetes. So when we are diagnosed with diabetes, or some
other syndrome that can be controlled, and perhaps could have been
prevented, by following a "sensible" lifestyle regime, most of us are
ill-equipped to deal with it. We simply don't know enough of the right
things to make judgements or decisions.

I have often thought that there should be a required class in "LIFE"
wherein you would learn about all the things that most of us have to
learn by accident: how to cook and what constitutes a balanced diet, how
to sew on a button and take up a hem, how to put up a shelf and change a
fuse, how to iron, how to hammer in a nail, basic first aid, and so on.
It wouldn't solve everything, but might well be a good start.

End of rant.

Maggie

--
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

Jenny wrote:

There are several problems here that are interrelated [I've lived in the
US and the UK, so can only speak of what I've found in these two
countries; things may well be different elsewhere].

1) Many of us have grown up being told that "doctor knows best", and we
should just meekly take our medicine, not ask questions, and go off and
be nice quiet little guinea pigs [more of a problem in the UK than the
US, generally, but present in both countries].

2) Many of us have grown up without being told that we need take any
responsibility at all for our own health and well-being, the doctor will
have a pill that will sort everything out, so there's no reason for us
to do without anything or moderate our behaviour in any way [US version:
you can have it all, you should have it all, go for it, and damn the
consequences; UK version: whatever you do, it won't make a blind bit of
difference, so do what you like, and damn the consequences].

3) Most of us who get through the school system on either side of the
Atlantic get only the most basic grounding in biology, and that is
fairly abstract, in that it isn't related directly to the realities of
our lives. I managed to pass my high school biology exams, and can even
still explain how the Krebs cycle works [it's not called that anymore,
I'm showing my age!], and I know it's important for converting food into
usable energy within the cell. Since leaving school, this subject has
never come up in a casual conversation, at a party, down the pub, or
anywhere else, and it tells me nothing useful about managing my general
health or my diabetes. So when we are diagnosed with diabetes, or some
other syndrome that can be controlled, and perhaps could have been
prevented, by following a "sensible" lifestyle regime, most of us are
ill-equipped to deal with it. We simply don't know enough of the right
things to make judgements or decisions.

I have often thought that there should be a required class in "LIFE"
wherein you would learn about all the things that most of us have to
learn by accident: how to cook and what constitutes a balanced diet, how
to sew on a button and take up a hem, how to put up a shelf and change a
fuse, how to iron, how to hammer in a nail, basic first aid, and so on.
It wouldn't solve everything, but might well be a good start.

End of rant.

Maggie

--
"There are two means of refuge from the miseries of life: music and
cats." -- Albert Schweitzer

In article <5f81d335.0312180933.35256e4e@posting.google.com>,
rosebobh@yahoo.com (Rose) writes:

Congrats..
I dont count fiber or sugar alcohols.. They have NO affect on my numbers..
Others may not have the same reaction..
As always YMMV and this is JMO
Jeanne Type 2 Diagnosed 05/28/02
189/154/120

In article <brspbv$7a21r$1@ID-191168.news.uni-berlin.de>,
Al Hardy <a.hardy2@ntlworld.com> wrote:
A lower carb higher fat diet seems to have helped this
definitely not young person with rather advanced Type 2
diabetes. I am not on any kind of extreme diet, but my
weight has dropped slightly and my lipids have improved.
--
This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
hrubin@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558

In article <brspbv$7a21r$1@ID-191168.news.uni-berlin.de>,
Al Hardy <a.hardy2@ntlworld.com> wrote:
A lower carb higher fat diet seems to have helped this
definitely not young person with rather advanced Type 2
diabetes. I am not on any kind of extreme diet, but my
weight has dropped slightly and my lipids have improved.
--
This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
hrubin@stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558