I just read a post claiming that t2 in the UK are mostly on D&E. According
to Diabetes UK figures, there are approximately 1,350,000 t2s, and over
410,000 using insulin. That is just over 30%!

Just thought you might like to know.
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"Al Hardy" <a.hardy2@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Well, the reality of the situation is that ALL diabetics SHOULD be on D&E
regardless of any additional medication.

Or am I just being bloody minded because of the pain in me gob?

Philip Martin.

"Pete" <aspen@freeuk.com> wrote in message
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I don't see insulin as a medication because it's something that should be
there, i just don't make my own. However i think diet and excercise should
be pushed a lot more to all diabetics as this disease needs to be approached
from all available angles.

Patrick

Patrick wrote:
ALL people should be on correct diet and plenty of exercise, but I thought -
incorrectly as it seems - that was a given. Matbe I should have said *mostly
on D&E only.
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"Al Hardy" <a.hardy2@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Thanks Al, I think you've just answered something that was bugging me:
Was dxd as T2 in '01 and until 2weeks ago was on tablets.

Now I'm on insulin and assumed I was still T2 (No Ketones which I was told
was the deciding factor), I decided to update my info with Diabetes UK re
the change of meds.

During the discussion the guy on the end of the phone asked was I T1 or T2?

I paused slightly to consider what my dsn had said before replying - she
told me I was T2 going on T1 (if there is such a thing).
Before I answered he asked whether I was on insulin to which I replied yes.
Oh, he replied you're T1 then.

From what you've written this is not the case -is it? I dunno now.

I don't want to open a can of worms on this one but you're comments are
appreciated.

TVM

John H-C




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"John H-C" <john@dontspamme.co.uk> wrote in message
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Ahh can of worms indeed!

If you are still producing insulin but are resistant to it and therefore
need meds, even insulin, to solve the problem, then you is T2. Even if your
Pancreas packs up production totaly, you is still T2.

But at the end of the day whats in a number, we are ALL Diebetics(

Philip Martin.

"Patrick" <fester@nospam.com> wrote in message
Indeed , you might argue that T1s injecting with insulin are on HRT.

"Philip Martin" <philip.martin1@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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I guess you're right we're all in this boat together so why rock it.
John H-C


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John H-C wrote:
I won't get into techie stuff unless you want me to. But some t1s have a
little bit of their own insulin for up to 3 years (exceptional) and some t2s
lose all of their own insulin very quickly (six months is not unheard of).

More importantly, DM is a lot more complex than t1 and t2. There are several
sub-types, and at least one *cross-over*, and more research (still
continuing) will probably muddy the waters still further. The only
hard-and-fast rule is: all diabetics have a problem keeping their bg and bp
under control.

Just one brief example. Peter C is t2 on Mixtard and doing well, I am t1 and
for me Mixtard was an unmitigated disaster, but I do well on beef insulin.

We are ALL different, even so-called "identical" twins. But the twin studies
are techie stuff again.
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"Alan Hardy" <a.hardy2@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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Now I understand why it was so confusing.

Apparently my pancreas hasn't quite packed up but is producing diminishing
amounts of Insulin hence the need to supplement the supply (10IU Lantus, 1x
4IU Novorapid, 2x 6IU Novorapid per day), it seems my DNS phrase wasn't so
patronising after all in light of what you say here.
As both you and Philip point out, all Diabetics have a common goal in the
management of their diabetes. I'm pleased to say the insulin has given me
fbgs of between 4 and 7 instead of the 8 and 12 on the tablets. Which is a
step in the right direction, long may it continue.
Thanks for the reply

John H-C


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Or could be argued that they might be on a steroid course However this
HRT does not produce boobs so we still need women for at least one thing
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On 26u Lantus and whatever Novorapid my meter says i need.
"Peter C" <peterc_2003@europe.com> wrote in message
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Hi John,

I was interested in your post particularly as you are clearly very insulin
resistant. In fact you use more Novorapid than I yet use much less Lantus
than I. I use 1x40u Rapid, 2x50u Rapid and 1x 80u Lantus, which I associate
with my 42/44" waist and 18st. I am interested in how you get away with
such a light Lantus shot. Perhaps they are starting you very low.

I think of the term "diabetes" as a description of the symptom where T1 or
T2 is the cause. At some point it matters not as the treatment can be
largely the same. I started on diet and exercise (and didn't take it too
seriously), then went on to drugs (metformin and acarbose separately) until
a DKA one Xmas. Now I use insulin and metformin together too some good
effect.

Good luck,

Martin.


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