I have a question/idea.

If one of the hallmarks of the beginning of type 2 DM is loss of phase 1
insulin, wouldn't it make sense for those of us who caught it early to
eat meals in two stages -- a appetizer and then after a little wait the
main course? The appetizer would theoretically trigger the phase 2
insulin which would then be there to cover the main course, while we
wouldn't be consuming massive amounts of food which would need phase 1
insulin. (I don't know if I explained this well.)

OK. Tell me what's wrong with this! :-)

Priscilla
--
The Episcopal Church welcomes you... and you... and you....

Priscilla Ballou wrote in message ...
I think it's an excellent idea.

Also, I think it would be a very superior approach for the Reactive
Hypoglycemic folks.

I would love to see some comparative bG readings posted by the more
adventuresome T2's.

Regards
Old Al

Priscilla Ballou wrote:
This sounds like a great idea, except that part of the broken phase I-II
insulin response is the tendency of phase II to turn off too late,
driving one into reactive hypoglycemia.

Better yet would seem to be controlling your *need* for a second
(defective) insulin response by keeping PP BGs below its trigger point.
This is the reason for eating many small meals throughout the day.

Jim

Any one mind explaining these phases?

"J.C. Hartmann" <jch@meadecom.com> wrote in message
news:bki22a$21fei$1@ID-129294.news.uni-berlin.de...

In article <bki048$241lg$1@ID-121441.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"oldal4865" <oldal4865@yahoo.com> wrote:

Wow. From Old Al, yet! I'm a happy camper! :-)

I do love a small glass of V8 with lemon and a few roasted nuts at
"cocktail hour" (haven't had a cocktail in 18+ years, though!), so I'm
going to start encouraging myself to follow through on that.

Priscilla
--
The Episcopal Church welcomes you... and you... and you....

Priscilla Ballou <phb@world.std.com> wrote in
newshb-E6F157.17130520092003@news.verizon.net:

Could somebody be more detailed about phase I and II insulin for us
newcomers? I hadn't heard anything of this before. A website will
suffice, if you like.

So what do you consider an appetizer, and how long before a meal is best?

I keep thinking there's so much to learn about diabetes, it could take the
rest of my life. Fortunately, that's just exactly how much time I have.
:-)


Chakolate

Chakolate

--

If you want to be the center of attention, make tuna salad in front of your
cats.

In article <Xns93FCA9161B156chakolatehotmailcom@130.133.1.4>,
Chakolate <chakolateDeathToSpammers@hotmail.com> wrote:

Chak, try a google. Hmmm. Let me find some good terms to put in.
<pause>

http://www.google.com/groups?as_q=ph...es&ie=ISO-8859
-1&as_ugroup=alt.support.diabetes&lr=&hl=en

or

http://makeashorterlink.com/?M54D235F5

Priscilla
--
The Episcopal Church welcomes you... and you... and you....

In article <Xns93FCA9161B156chakolatehotmailcom@130.133.1.4>,
Chakolate <chakolateDeathToSpammers@hotmail.com> wrote:

Well, it's just an idea now, not even a theory, but I'd go with the
traditional idea of an appetizer -- a small serving of something. I'd
make it low-carb, like the nuts I like, or maybe some marinated vegies,
or a piece of cheese, or something like that. I have no idea how long.
We'll have to play with it and find out.

Ah! You're the same as the rest of us!

Priscilla
--
The Episcopal Church welcomes you... and you... and you....

In article <phb-4CAF3E.17550820092003@news.verizon.net>,
Priscilla Ballou <phb@world.std.com> wrote:

Oh, BTW, Chac, have I or anyone else recommended Gretchen Becker's book
on _Type 2 Diabetes, The First Year_? If not, I do.

Priscilla
--
The Episcopal Church welcomes you... and you... and you....

"Priscilla Ballou" <phb@world.std.com> wrote in message
newshb-B5BAD4.17585320092003@news.verizon.net...
Diabetes For Dummies, by Alan Rubin, MD

Al.

In article <bkiklv$2802c$1@ID-191168.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Al Hardy" <a.hardy2@ntlworld.com> wrote:

Butt away!

I haven't read DfD, but I think I've heard good things about it.

Priscilla
--
The Episcopal Church welcomes you... and you... and you....

"Priscilla Ballou" <phb@world.std.com> wrote in message
newshb-6B449B.19222520092003@news.verizon.net...
unless like me you tend be anally retentive, which brings us back to butts,
I suppose.

Al. Its them damned complications which caused the butt bit. lol

Priscilla Ballou <phb@world.std.com> wrote in newshb-
355ED0.17523620092003@news.verizon.net:

Thanks, that was very informative.

Chakolate

--

If you want to be the center of attention, make tuna salad in front of your
cats.

Priscilla Ballou <phb@world.std.com> wrote in newshb-
B5BAD4.17585320092003@news.verizon.net:

I'll check it out. Have you noticed she has a new book coming out, The
Four-Corners Diet, a guide to healthy low-carb eating?

Chakolate

--

If you want to be the center of attention, make tuna salad in front of your
cats.

In article <Xns93FCC941C44E4chakolatehotmailcom@130.133.1.4>,
Chakolate <chakolateDeathToSpammers@hotmail.com> wrote:

No, I didn't know that! Cool!

Priscilla
--
The Episcopal Church welcomes you... and you... and you....

"Quentin Grady" <quentin@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
news:nt7qmv4qr69p96hk1dpoitjp6hb2sm8b53@4ax.com...

I don't have an opinion at this time either, but it sure is an
intriguing idea.

I do wonder if it would mean a return to more leisurely eating,
where at least 2 hrs are taken for the main meal of the day. It's
something that was abandoned as we became more industrialised, and
the needs of machines became paramount - one could not afford to
have those newfangled EXPENSIVE contrivances lying idle for so long.

And the main meal is best eaten in the middle of the day, when the
metabolisms is at it's peak, and further activity surely follows, to
use up the input of energy. Nowadays, it's only a "lunch", not much
more than a snack really, that we grab "on the run". Who has the
time during the day, to sit and relax and enjoy a major input of
food at a slow pace? Add an "appetiser" (in Oz we call it an
entree), and the time involved is even longer. No, one must wait
until the day's tasks have been completed.

In some places in Europe, the long dinner in the middle of the day,
and a rest afterwards for digerstion is still considered normal.
Then one returns to work until fairly late at night, when a small
supper is the last meal of the day.

Oh my mind is thinking, thinking, there's a lot to consider.

Thanks for introducing a provocative idea, Priscilla. I really like
that.

Annette



---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.520 / Virus Database: 318 - Release Date: 18/09/03

In article <bkjvj3$2etrm$1@ID-194908.news.uni-berlin.de>,
"Annette" <acianthus@bigpond.com> wrote:

You're welcome. I'm delighted at the responses to date. When I started
reading here about phase 1 and phase 2 insulin release, my mind quickly
jumped to this, but I figured that since people weren't talking about
it, it must be a discredited idea. Now I'm thinking that maybe others
didn't make the same leap I did. I'm delighted it's clicking with folks
as being intriguing at least, if not yet known as a worthwhile strategy.

Priscilla, patting her brain and telling it "good brain!"
--
The Episcopal Church welcomes you... and you... and you....

"Priscilla Ballou" <phb@world.std.com> wrote in message
newshb-413494.11594821092003@news.verizon.net...
Ya.......you and your money.

--
Waro

There are already examples of increasing the number of meals each day (or
spreading out the carb intake). Snacks are the most common way mentioned in
ASD.

Before I get blasted about none of the sources listed below being about DM,
some are and some aren't. They are all about losing weight and becoming
healthy. I think we all have at least one of those two goals.

Earlier this year Reader's Digest had an article on dieting. Their
recommendation for the first week was to start eating breakfast. That was
it. Just start eating a healthy breakfast.

The Schwarzbein Principle requires eating three meals each day. For those
on a lower carb count there is also the recommendation of two or three
snacks each day in addition to the three meals.

Suzanne Somers' books (may be too fufu for some here) talk about food
combining and having a time interval between eating certain food
combinations. She also has snacks as part of her plan, especially in the
beginning.

The last source is a woman I work with. In the past she had cancer and an
eating disorder. Today she is the vision of health. She still uses the
diet regimen today that she learned to help overcome her illnesses. Her
husband is in the military and has to maintain proper weight levels. When
he needs to lose weight, she increases his number of meals each day.

All of these eating plans encourage eating three-plus, healthy meals each
day. Yes, this ASD club has the additional problem of checking our BG
levels frequently. YMMV. Schwarzbein has already taken this into
consideration with her meal plans. Somers is almost a knock-off of
Schwarzbein with the addition of food combining. Somers' menus are a little
more appealing to me.

I second the motion of having some other T2s try the five or six meals per
day and give us their BG levels. BTW, I used Schwarzbein to come off my DM
meds after one year.

Bob
T2
5% club

That sounds like Somers' food combining.

"Priscilla Ballou" <phb@world.std.com> wrote in message
newshb-4702CD.14034021092003@news.verizon.net...