http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_824147.html

Ananova:

Red meat molecule 'may cause health problems'

Eating red meat introduces a potentially dangerous non-human molecule into the
body tissues, new research has showed.

A study found that the molecule, a sugar only found in non-human mammals, is
absorbed into tissues such as blood vessels and secretory cells.

Tests showed that it can generate an immune response which might induce harmful
inflammation.

The scientists have not ruled out a link with cancer and heart disease -
although they acknowledge that at present this is speculation.

To date, research has focused on the role of red meat saturated fats and
chemical products that arise from cooking.

The new study, led by scientists at the University of California in San Diego,
USA, is the first to investigate dietary absorption of a cell-surface sugar
called N-glycolylneuraminic acid (Neu5Gc).

Humans are genetically unable to produce the molecule, which occurs naturally
at high levels in lamb, pork and beef. Only very low or undetectable amounts of
the sugar are found in fruits, vegetables, hen's eggs, poultry and fish.

Laboratory studies and tests on three human volunteers - all members of the
research team - confirmed that ingested Neu5Gc is absorbed into human tissues.

They also demonstrated that the body may view the molecule as a non-human
invader and launch an antibody-based immune response against it.

Although the sugar does not occur naturally in humans, other researchers have
found traces of it in human cancer tumours.


Story filed: 22:04 Monday 29th September 2003


Who loves ya.
Tom
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Doe:
I am very interested in this theory and the article. I have
had an elevated WBC for 10 years. The doctors have tested me
for everything they can think of, including poking holes in
my spine and drilling holes in my pelvis.

Could it be that meat is causing inflammation or an
antibody-based immune response? This may be showing up as an
elevated WBC. I do eat a lot of beef, pork, lamb, even deer
and buffalo.

I'm not convinced enough YET, to give them up. Maintaining
my low-carb diet would be very boring with them.

Please post any more research on this subject.

Andrea2
http://www.geocities.com/andrea61920...agefloral.html

"doe" <ironjustice@aol.comdoe> wrote in message
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On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 23:51:37 -0700, "Andrea2"
<andrea6192001@yahoo.com> wrote:

crackpot. His opininion is as valued here as those of Jai, Chung, Mu,
and Betty Martini. But you need to make up your own mind. I wouldn't
wait for doe to reply with any real info, as he is usually a hit and
run troller. Will just dump something provocative and disappear. He is
killfiled by many, but as many trollers do, he constantly changes his
e-mail, and/or posting name to avoid them.

Sleepy

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Save the whales. Collect the whole set.
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You are a friggin liar ..

Seeing the NUMBER of liars on this newsgroup .. you fit right in .. eh ..

Lying .. goof ..

Who loves ya.
Tom
Jesus Was A Vegetarian! http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com
Man Is A Herbivore! http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/manisaherbivore
DEAD PEOPLE WALKING http://pages.ivillage.com/ironjustice/deadpeoplewalking

Sleepy, I need those straws to hang on to. Without them
there would be nothing left. I'm feeling real low right
now, lower than I have since Brian was killed. I feel like
I'm at a critical stage in my life, it could go either way,
and I don't much care.

I don't want to get involved in any flame wars, I've read
some of doe's older posts and was appalled by his
involvement with NAMBLA.

The article was doe brought up published on Ananova news
service. I had never heard of them, however from the other
news on their site it seems like a legitimate news service.

Andrea2

"Sleepyman" <eat@moms.com> wrote in message
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On 01 Oct 2003 20:24:16 GMT, ironjustice@aol.comdoe (doe) wrote:

Tommasina, everyone knows you're a fruit cake. now go lay down in
your blood letting leech bath for a few more hours, you obviously have
to much iron in your system today.

Mack
Type 1 since 1975
http://www.alt-support-diabetes.org
http://www.insulin-pumpers.org

In tribute to the United States of America and the State
of Israel, two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and
terrorism.

On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:16:38 -0700, "Andrea2" <andrea6192001@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Hi Andrea

Sorry to hear that. I thought you were feeling better - I hope you do
soon.
I followed one of his earlier links and found it interesting, but I do
treat anything pushed by a zealot with large lumps of salt. Doesn't
mean it's necessarily wrong, but needs independant checking.

Cheers Alan, T2, Oz

On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:16:38 -0700, "Andrea2" <andrea6192001@yahoo.com>
wrote:

Andrea,
I was hoping you would be feeling a lot better! Your test showed that
you don't have L. You have an elevated WBC, but that could be caused
by a zillion things, most of them non-life threatening. You are off to
Hawaii for the best part of a month pretty much expenses paid, while a
good part of the rest of the country is starting to hunker down in
preparation for a long winter to come, that you won't even get to
experience when you get home. I do wish you had someone special to
take along with you. It always makes things better, when you have
someone to share good times with.
I know you are alone. That makes all things harder to bear, as you
have no one to confess those deepest and darkest of fears to. It
sucks, believe me I know. I live it too. But you are young, pretty,
and bright. Things are improving almost hourly on the medical front. I
would be willing to wager, that if they don't find a cure for DM in
your lifetime, there will be something found to make living with it
much more bearable in that complications will be eliminated, and a way
found for us to eat a normal diet. You will find what is causing your
WBC to be off, and I have a feeling that it will end up as no big
deal.

Keep your chin up Kiddo, You are going to be A-OK.

Sleepy

PS Avoid trolls such as doe, for your own good. I know, you need to
find your own path, but just this once, take my advice. Please?

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PONY UP!
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On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 18:16:38 -0700, "Andrea2" <andrea6192001@yahoo.com>
wrote:

responsible for the N post.

Sleepy

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PONY UP!
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Doe's opinions appear to be oddball relative to some others on the group
that push the mainstream pharmaceutical industry's approach. Each view has
tits merits even those that appear to be a crackpot. It is only a
narrow-minded approach that restricts creativity in finding solutions to our
common problem.

If Doe's restriction of iron works for him, then good for him. I personally
do not see any merit in restricting my iron intake, but then I do not eat
meat. To call him names as many members of this group often resort to is
infantile (I could not avoid using that - more an observation than an
insult).


"Andrea2" <andrea6192001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Andrea2" <andrea6192001@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hi there Andrea,

I'm so sorry to hear that you are feeling down.

I tried to email you, but it bounced. You can email me if you like,
I've had my "black" periods in the past, and believe I would
understand a lot about how you are feeling. I'd like to be a friend
if you like. We all need friends.

I promise, no preaching or amateur psychology, just a compassionate
friend to share with. One of the sorrows of internet friendships is
that I can't be there to physically hold your hand, or give you a
hug and "a cup of tea", but on the other hand, you can write me
while still in your dressing gown at 3 pm and I'd never know! LOL.

I don't know how you feel about the chat room for this group, but it
has been a life-saver for me when I had no-one around, and needed
someone sympathetic to talk to, real time, or just some company and
a laugh or two. There are some very gentle, big hearted people
there who can offer support and understanding. The room IS
monitored most of the time, to keep offensive types out.

Don't give up yet. Many of us are here for you.

Annette





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On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 11:19:34 +0200, Mano Govender wrote:

Science, most here suggest science such as the research done at NIH among
others..

--
Ronnie Ruff

So shines a good deed in a weary world.
--Willy Wonka--

I pray for the power. To turn it around.
I'm too old to die young. And too young
to die now. Warren Zevon 1980
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On Thu, 2 Oct 2003 11:19:34 +0200, "Mano Govender"
<manospam@thelani.co.za> wrote:

That last sentence of yours I love. Ok I observe doe to be a crackpot,
idiot, troll, not an insult, an observation. PC enough for ya?

Sleepy


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COWBOY UP!
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My yahoo email gets so much spam the box is almost always
full of Microsoft and other junk. I guess they bounce the
mail when the box is full.

I've been going through my monthly PMS/depression. Mostly
over it now, I should be back to my old self by tomorrow. My
room mate has been away this week, it makes it worse being
alone.

I tried the chat room, but I guess it was too late. 3 people
were signed on but nobody answered.

Andrea2
http://www.geocities.com/andrea61920...agefloral.html

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14:52:03 Wed, 1 Oct 2003alt.support.diabetes
Sleepyman at Sleepyman <eat@moms.com> writes:
I have no idea about this, but I am aware that beef in particular can,
occasionally, be a migraine trigger in some people (more commonly it is
cocoa, oranges, red wine and so on, but in some people beef and onions
can be triggers, and various other particular foods). Migraine isn't
inflammation as such, but could be related. If there is some kind of
intolerance response, it is very unlikely to be lamb, which is one of
the least allergenic substances you can eat. So, I suggest dropping the
beef for a month and seeing what happens.
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