having been diagnosed as type 2 in beginning of Jan this year I have been
waiting to see the dietician in the mean time I have been reading all the
advice on this site and following every link and having a read also picking
on the poor fella in work who has been type 2 for years. I personally think
I was on the right tracks I had a problem with fruit I asked the question
here and loads of people gave me advice which I followed so now I know which
fruits I can and cant eat.

Then there was the bread have moved onto a low carb brown changed me
breakfast away from wheetabix as they make me feel sick ect ect

After nagging Mrs for 3 days when my dietician appointment came last week
she agreed to come with me. I wish I hadn't bothered now.

The dietician lady said I should eat.

Loads of white bread.

Loads of pasta (this gives me that horrible pins & needles and makes e feel
sick and gives me a spike) as do

beans on toast

jacket potatoes

grapes

water melon

Curry & white rice ( although am prepared to suffer this once a week as this
is my mums best dish when we visit once a week)

That's just a small part of the list she said to eat but most of the stuff
she said doesn't agree with me. However the Mrs believes every word the
Woman said now so I'm back to square one now with Educating Julie.

Ok that's the whinging part over.

What she did say was that it might be my medication not the food that's
making me feel sick.I am currently taking 2x metformin 500mg 3x a day. 4mg
of Coversyl 1x per day and 1 simvastatin 20 mg at night.

Now I am gonna be called in for a medication review but its only in the last
few weeks since went up on metformin have started to get lower bloods I even
scored a 5.5 one day.

here is an example

before

15.1 10.4 12.5 14.5
10.7 16.1 9.9 16.5
11.2 12.6 16.5 15.4
12.5 13.6 8.5 9.9

now

7.8 5.7 6.7 8.7
7.2 6.0 7.9 6.4
7.5 6.1 7.0 11.9
8.3 7.2 8.4 7.0

as you can see there has been a vast improvement but the dietician is under
the impression my morning one should still be lower.

seeing as this is best place I have found for help and guidance I throw this
Post out to the wolves sorry it was so long but sometimes its nice to have a
rant in the company of others.

P.s can someone breakdown a sig so I can create one for myself foe example
what the DX is and that.

Thanks

Allen

X Pressit wrote:

DX=diagnosed

Your fasting levels are a bit high but as you have only just
begun your modified diet I wouldn't stress just yet. The
pins and needles you experienced is neuropathy. Nerve
damage, caused by high sugar levels over time. It can be
reversed sometimes, let's hope. If drugs were going to make
you feel crook it would not be so selective, i.e. right
after high carb meals etc.

Let your wife read this newsgroup with you. Higher
carbs=high blood sugar levels=diabetic complications (eye
degeneration, kidney failure, heart attacks, strokes,
painful neuropathy, amputations, erectile dysfunction, to
name a few). Complications are real and happening. I know
it is hard to go against professional advice but this ain't
your dietician's body that is getting screwed with and I
have to risk offending you by saying it is not your wife's
either. You are head of your medical team. You can't go
too wrong with Jennifer's advice.

Your wife obviously has your best interests at heart and
like a lot of people, is conditioned to trust professionals.
In the case of diabetics, it is getting proven all to often
that current diabetic dietary advice is not achieving what
is hoped. As long as you get all the nutrients your body
needs, you don't need excess carbs.

On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 09:45:58 +0000 (UTC), "X Pressit"
<pacetoccy@SoftHome.net> wrote:

<rest of interesting story snipped>

Hi Allen

It sounds like you're ready to learn.

I won't say much about your dietician, because I've been accused of
"dietician bashing". I don't really think there's much I need to say
about yours.

Just remember, she is involved in your treatment, you are committed to
living with the results. She'll do an in-service course in a few years
and find that the thinking on carbs and diabetes has changed; so her new
patiients will get that news. In the meantime, you get complications.

Rather than a long "advice" post I'll give you two references you, and
your partner, need to read before deciding what to do next. The first
is easy, read Jennifer at http://jennifer.flyingrat.net/ . I personally
feel that the advice I got there saved my life.

Secondly, buy a copy of "The First Year - Type 2 Diabetes" by Gretchen
Becker. ISBN 1-56294-546-0. If you can't get it in your library or
bookshop, try Amazon or one of the other on-line stores.

Also, because much of the information, including that book, is intended
for Americans, be aware that they use different meter measurements over
there. So, to convert from mmol to bg/dl, multiply by 18. For example,
100 in the US becomes 5.5 mmol, 200 becomes 11.1 and so on. There is no
difference in HbA1c.

You will find lots of disagreement, here and among your medics, as to
what is correct. Even those two references I gave you disagree on the
recommended frequency of testing. Don't get discouraged, learn
everything you can, and use your own common-sense to decide what works
for you.

Whatever you do, don't make significant changes without discussing them
with your medics. There may be valid reasons for caution in some things,
for reasons we aren't aware of.

Good luck, and come back and ask lots of questions.

Cheers Alan, T2, Australia.
dx May 2002 , A1C 8.2=>5.9, wt 117kg=>90kg,
No diabetes meds.Diet and not enough exercise.
I have no medical qualifications beyond my own experience.
Choose your advisers carefully, because experience can be
an expensive teacher.
--
Everything in Moderation - Except Laughter.

X Pressit wrote in message ...

There is a "head up an arse" but it's not in your house. The
dietician lady gave you one of the old-fashioned diets for a diabetic on
heavy doses of insulin. If you want to take heavy doses of insulin,
then stick with her advice. (Of course the old-fashioned diabetics also
had a devil of a time with blindness, kidney failure, chronic diabetic pain,
and dropping dead young from heart attacks)

A lot of folks "bash dieticians". That sounds unfair but it is amazing to
me how many dieticians give such rotton advice. The last time I went to
see one, she went on and on about these massive breakfasts, stuffed with
carbs which would "give me a good start for the day". When I complained
that such a meal would immediately spike me well over 12 mmol/L, she looked
at me as if I had just broken wind, pretended I hadn't said anything, and
just kept going on and on and on.

Bernstein's books are also very good. His books won't have you stuffing
all those carbs down your throat.

If you are "feeling unwell", note that the metformin is noted for causing
diarrhea, gas and similar types of stomach upsets in some folks. The docs
often start at the lowest possible dose (500 - 850 mg/day), and slowly
increase the dose over a period of weeks in an attempt to minimize the G.I.
effects. (metformin = metfartin).

Most docs stop increasing the dose when they hit 2500 mg/day total. If I
read your post right, it looks like you started at 3000 mg/day which is
"quite a dose". You might want to clarify the metformin dose and dose
schedule at your med review.

In any case, the medications you are taking are favored by the more modern
diabetic specialists.

Their effects are:.

metformin: anti-Insulin Resistance, anti-Diabetic Heart Attack,
anti-high bG
Coversyl: anti-High blood pressure, maybe anti-Insulin Resistance,
anti-Heart Attack, anti-Kidney Failure
Simvastatin: anti-Cholesterol, anti-Heart Attack

The modern docs like the meds with anti-heart attack effects because that is
one of the major dangers of Type 2 diabetes. It's in your best interest to
try to make metformin work because it really has major, good effects on the
life expenctancy of a Type 2 diabetic.

Good luck with the wife. Perhaps if you keep harping on the heart attack
angle, you might get her out from under that Dietician's spell.

Regards
Old Al

"Alan" <allorstarch@ozconnect.net> wrote in message .
An English edition came out on 26th Feb. It's all /anglicised converted,
down to the asides/examples "running for a London taxi" etc and a section on
the NHS by a DSN.
Available from amazon.co.uk rather than amazon.com