[I am T2, 38 years old
Metaformin 500mg (one night and one morning)
Gliclazide 80mg (morning only)]

You know how it is (or least how it was before diagnosis), you could grab a
bowl of cereal, pour on some milk, and you were sorted.

At a recent trip to the (admittedly small) supermarket, revealed only 3
cereals that did not have added sugar. Shredded Wheat, Cornflakes, and
Porridge. [1]

Shredded Wheat seems to be passable in moderation.
Cornflakes caused me to go from 6.5 at breakfast to 10.9 at lunch.
Porridge and Metaformin causes diarrhoea

So any suggestions?

Thanks

Stephen
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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:31:36 +0000 (UTC), "Stephen"
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Hi Stephen

Yes, it's a fact that until you have a close look at the labels, you
never realise how much sugar is in cereals!

I tend to stick to either:

1. Weetabix (25.5g carbs - 1.8g (sugars)) per serving (2 weetabix)
2. Ready Brek Original (23.5g carbs - .07g (sugars) - 40 gram serving.

Just my experience.

Cheers

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Stephen wrote:
It's not the sugar you need to worry about but the
total number of carbohydrates and what effect those
carbohydrates have on your blood sugar readings. I
have the same bg spike with 30 grams weetbix plus milk
(no added sugar) as I do with 30 grams of toasted
muesli (full of added sugar) plus milk. You might want
to test 2 hours after a meal, to see where you are at,
as that is the approx time that blood sugar levels
should have returned to normal, you might find you are
even higher at that point than before lunch - another
reason to rethink carby foods at breakfast. Another
thing to take into consideration: most diabetics are
carb sensitive in the mornings, e.g cereal or toast may
spike you at breakfast but not if you eat it for
dinner.

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:31:36 +0000 (UTC), "Stephen"
<fifthNObabylonianSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:

Two parts to the answer.

First, those figures are telling you not to eat ANY ceral for breakfast.
I eat mine for supper before bedtime. As a diabetic you are going to
have to break old ingrained habits of what you eat when.

Use your meter to find what time of day YOU can eat cereal, or any
high-carb food. It obviously isn't breakfast. Try any combination of
bacon/egg/ham/sausage/black pudding/white
pudding/cheese/nuts/mushrooms/casserole/steak/chops - anything but
carbs.

Second; I search for a muesli mix that is as low as possible in fat and
sugars and as high as possible in dietary fibre. By definition, the
carbs will always be high but I try to keep the sugars part of the carbs
minimal. Then I buy a large packet of mixed nuts, a packet of psyllum
husk and a packet of bran.

When I get home I roughly chop some nuts in the food processor and add
them to the muesli, roughly on a 1:2 ratio. Then I add a small handful
(1/2 cup?) of psyllum husk and the same of bran.

What I end up with is a very high fibre, moderate carb, moderate fat and
protein (mainly nuts) muesli. This sounds like a lot of effort. It's
not, because this will last weeks before I need to do it again.

The left-over nuts are good for snacks.

When eating, I add just enough milk to a very small serve (3 or 4 heaped
dessert-spoons) to wet the muesli.


Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Alan at Alan <allorstarch@ozconnect.net> writes:
Heaped? You have lumpy milk? ;-)
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As they say your mileage etc.. but

An interesting experience of muesli bought from Morrisons.
I had been happily using their special muesli which claimed a not too
horrendous 10.3 gm total sugar.
One day I go in and horray a new product "no added salt or sugar" but agahst
....21 gm sugar per 100
Contacted their customer relations or whatever it was called and asked what
gives? This one I was told had more fruit.
Nonsense, the packaging gave virtually the same fruit content.

Not satisfied I grumbled to Trading Standards who, to give them their due,
took the matter seriously and collected samples for analysis.
After 3 months they told me that "the packaging was marked correctly " But
it is Still misleading

I went back to buy some of the original muesli after their reassurance but
found that the same product now admitted to 16.4% sugars. I never could find
which level trading standards had tested against.
No more Morrisons Muesli.

Roland (another rat)
T2 since 1/2002 but on insulin since severe weight loss soon after diagnosis
Dare I admit to reasonable control on a Humalog mix so scorned by some of
the regulars here?

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LOL :-)

Now behave!!!

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On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 23:23:19 +0000, Martin Thompson
<bin@tucana.demon.co.uk> wrote:

Depends how long I leave it out of the fridge :-)

Yep, I see the ambiguity. The parenthesis is intended, of course, for
the serve of muesli.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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Martin Thompson wrote:
Lol. By the way, instead of milk for cereal try cream
watered down, half and half, no milk carbs.

"Stephen" <fifthNObabylonianSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Bloody hard this Stephen, but what *I* do is forget about breakfast.
Actually it wasn't hard because I don't LIKE breaakfast, but ANY cereal or
carb rich food in the mornings will have me FAR too high to even consider
it.

I'd stick with a slice of toast if I were you, if you can manage on that.


Beav

Stephen wrote:
First, do not buy proprietary brand cereals. Make your own (I give two
recipes in a mo).

Second, try to avoid cereals. Scramble eggs, or poach them.

Them recipes now.

Untoasted Muesli

4 cups instant oatmeal (400g)
3 cups natural bran (150g)
1-1/2 cups wheat germ (120g)
1-1/2 cups 4 Bran Mix (250g)
3/4 cup dried chopped apricots (100g)
1/2 cup chopped pecans (50g)
2/3 cup sultanas (100g)

Method
Mix oatmeal, bran, wheat germ, bran mix, apricots, pecans and sultanas
together.
Store in an airtight container.
Serves : 24 Quantity per Serve : 1/2 cup (50g)
Nutrients per Serve : KJ 675, Calories 162, Fat 4.7gm, Sodium 6gm, Fibre
7.8gm

Rolled Oat Muesli

1 cup quick cooking rolled oats
1/3 cup natural bran
1/4 cup unsweetened desiccated coconut
3 tbsp. wheat germ
3 tbsp. chopped almonds
1 tsp. ground cinnamon

In bowl combine rolled oats, bran, coconut, wheat germ, almonds and
cinnamon.
Spread on large baking pan.
Bake in 300F oven for about 20 minutes or until lightly toasted; stir
occasionally.
Let cool completely.
Store in tightly sealed container.
Makes 6 servings.

Each serving= 1/3 cup
Nutritional Info: 15gm carb, 5gm protein, 6gm fat, 3gm fibre, 119 kcal

I would suggest using semi-skimmed milk if your weight is normal, unskimmed
milk if your weight is too high, full-fat milk if your weight is too low.

I also strongly suggest you test immediately before, one hour after, two
hours after, any new food you try. Do that the first three times you eat it,
write down the results (or put 'em in a database) and only then will you
know if it's working well or not.

I think I should say a big thank you to Janette Chandler, who used to post
on a.f.d and who gave me those recipes.

Al.

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When i wer a yung lad my dad used to work in Switzerland and used to prepare
muesli the swiss way. Cover a bowl of muesli with milk at about 10:00 PM and
then put in the fridge overnight. Eat next morning and it was wonderfully
soft and smooth and creamy and yummy... not like eating bird seed and grit
that freshly prepared muesli tastes like.

hmmmm

simon

simon nomail wrote:

.. Eat next morning
That's what I used to like about eating muesli, the bird
seed and grit texture

Al Hardy wrote:


The toasted version also works well as a kind of porridge: 1/4 cup
muesli + 1/2 cup water, stir, nuke in microwave for a minute, stir, nuke
for another minute, splash on a tablespoon of milk or so, you have
breakfast. It's also good with soya milk, which is better for my BGs.
May I add my "thank you's" to Al's?

At weekends, I get assorted bacon, turkey rashers, and sausages [reduced
fat and salt versions], cook them up, drain them well on kitchen paper,
and keep them in the fridge in a plastic container. Nuke one or two in
the microwave to warm them up, and eat as "finger food"; if you don't
have a microwave, they're also perfectly acceptable cold.

I've found that a Rice Krispies cereal bar is okay - but only one - if
I'm in a great hurry in the morning. By itself, it's not enough, but
with a rasher or two or a sausage, it gets me through till lunchtime.

Other possibilities: left-over meat/veg from last night's dinner, nuked
or not as you see fit; bits of ham, cheese, cherry tomato, spring onion
pieces on matzo or ritz crackers; an egg [or two - depending on your
calorie needs], with a splash of milk and some chopped up veggies
[onion, tomato, capsicum, grated carrot, leftover cooked veg] and the
cheese of your choice. Do the chopping up the night before, then just
throw it all together in the morning. A good-quality non-stick frying
pan will minimize the amount of oil you need for frying.

HTH,

Maggie

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"Ozgirl" <news_onlyxx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Yeah!! If you want slop, make porridge :-)

Beav

Beav wrote:
I make porridge with rough oats. I always preferred rough oats to slop ;-)

Al.

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Porridge is still a bit "gruelly" though, although it doesn't stop it from
tasting great. I have porridge insead of rice puddin-)

Beav

"Ozgirl" <news_onlyxx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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That's an excellent suggestion Jan!!! I love muesli, but hate what it does
TO me, so cream instead of milk seems like a good route.

My missus has a thing called "Fil mjölk" which LOOKS like ultra thick milk
(which is what it is) but I can't bear the thought of shoving it in me
gob:-) I suspect it might be a bit high in fat as well as leathered in carbs
too!

Cream.. Mmmmmm :-)

Beav

"Roland Marriott" <roland.marriott@tesco.net> wrote in message
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Have you tried their "Balanced lifestyle" cereal Roland? I've taken to
having a handful every now and again with a splash of milk. I daren't touch
it in the mornings, but I can as a late afternoon snackette if I get low for
any reason. Trouble is, these things sit in my cupboard for that long they
lose their "bant" before the pack is half empty:-(

Beav

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004 00:24:54 -0000, "Beav"
<beavis.original@ntloxoworld.com> wrote:

When I found that the milk in my morning coffee was giving me a spike at
breakfast, I substituted cream. A good dollop of clotted or thickened
cream on a teaspoon was just right. No spike effect with me at all in
the am, where the milk was very noticeable.

I changed recently to cinnamon in my coffee instead for other reasons,
but I still have cream occasionally when I'm out.

As I now eat my muesli at night, when I can handle much higher carb
levels without spiking, I use whole milk with the muesli.

Cheers, Alan, T2, Australia.
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