yes i know other research has said
other ways are better but
after review it was not enough to change
the minds of the USFDA ( center for food safety and applied nutrition or the American Diabetes Association.)


Using the Diabetes Food Pyramid

http://www.diabetes.org/main/health/...oodpyramid.jsp

The Diabetes Food Pyramid has six sections for food groups. These sections vary in size. The largest group -- grains, beans, and
starchy vegetables -- is on the bottom. This means that you should eat more servings of grains, beans, and starchy vegetables than
of any of the other foods. The smallest group -- fats, sweets, and alcohol -- is at the top of the pyramid. This tells you to eat
very few servings from these food groups.

Eat servings from all the food groups other than the fats, sweets, and alcohol, every day. Eat the recommended number of servings
on the pyramid within each food group. The exact number of servings you need depends on your diabetes goals, calorie and nutrition
needs, your lifestyle, and the foods you like to eat. Divide the number of servings you should eat among the meals and snacks you
eat each day. The Diabetes Food Pyramid makes it easier to remember what to eat. For a healthy meal plan that is based on your
individual needs, you should work with a registered dietitian (RD) with expertise in diabetes management. To find an RD with
diabetes expertise, read the section below titled For More Help and Support.

The First Step

For most people, a great first step to healthier eating habits is to make a few simple changes. Perhaps you decide to eat more
fruits and vegetables and to go lighter on the meats and sweets. If you make these changes and stick to them, pat yourself on the
back. Before you make more changes, make sure you maintain the ones you have made. When you are ready, decide on the next change.
Keep it easy to accomplish.

As you continue to change your eating habits to manage your diabetes, the diabetes food pyramid can help you and your whole family
eat healthier. Here are some more healthy eating tips:

a.. Eat a wide variety of foods every day. Try new foods. Eating a wide variety of foods, even from the same food group, helps
you get all the nutrients to be in good health. For example, within the fruit group, bananas are a good source of potassium and
oranges are a good source of vitamin C.


b.. Be physically active every day. Try to accumulate 30 minutes of physical activity each day. Start slowly, by taking the
stairs and walking more, or doing more yardwork.


c.. Eat high-fiber foods such as fruits, vegetables, whole grains and beans. These are the foods you should primarily eat. They
provide lots of vitamins, minerals, and fiber, yet they provide the least concentrated sources of calories.


d.. Use less added fat. It is well known that eating many foods that are high in fat, particularly ones with too much saturated
fat and dietary cholesterol, can contribute to the development of clogged and narrowed arteries. This can lead to heart disease and
people with diabetes are at an even greater risk for developing heart disease.


e.. Use less added sugar. Sugary foods, like jelly beans and regular soft drinks, and sweets, like ice cream and cookies, are
not healthy for anyone. They provide a bunch of calories with little or no nutrients. Yet sugary foods and sweets are enjoyable to
eat. Strike a balance -- practice moderation.


f.. Use less added salt and sodium. Americans eat more salt and sodium than they need. Most of the sodium we eat comes from
processed foods like cold cuts, prepared foods, canned soups, and pickles. To keep your salt and sodium intake moderate, shake the
salt shaker lightly and use more fresh and unprocessed foods.


g.. If you choose to drink alcohol, limit the amount and drink it with food. Check with your health care professional about an
amount that's safe for you.
Next Step ... Learn More

Starches and Diabetes

Eat more starches! It is healthiest for everyone to eat more whole grains, beans, and starchy vegetables such as peas, corn,
potatoes and winter squash. Starches are good for you because they have very little fat, saturated fat, or cholesterol.


Vegetables and Diabetes

When it comes to vegetables, people with diabetes should eat at least three servings a day. Vegetables are healthy, chock full of
vitamins and minerals, and some give you much needed fiber. The best part: vegetables are naturally low in calories.



Fruit and Diabetes
Questions about fruit keep coming up. Will fruit juice increase blood glucose levels more quickly than a piece of fruit? Should
you avoid fruit in the morning because your blood glucose might be higher than at other times in the day? Is it better to eat fruit
with meals rather than snacks?

Milk and Diabetes
People with diabetes are at the same risk for osteoporosis as the general public. Fat-free (skim) and low-fat (1%) milk and yogurt
will provide the calcium you need without saturated fat and cholesterol.


Protein (Meat, Poultry, Seafood, Cheese, Eggs, Etc.) and Diabetes

People with diabetes have no less or more need for protein than the general public. The American Diabetes Association nutrition
guidelines suggest eating between 10 and 20% of your calories as protein. The Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA) for protein is 0.8
grams per kilogram of body weight.

Fat and Diabetes

Fat ought to make up about 30% of your calories. The total amount of fat you eat should be based on the foods you like and your
goals for eating healthy and blood lipid (blood fats) and glucose control. You need an individualized meal plan.

Sugar and Diabetes

Research studies show that, gram for gram, sugars, like table sugar, do not raise blood glucose any more quickly than do other
carbohydrates, like potatoes, rice or pasta. This research holds true for people with type 1 and type 2 diabetes.

Alcohol and Diabetes

Beyond all the health and safety concerns about alcohol, if you have diabetes and are on diabetes medications that lower blood
glucose, you need to practice caution. The action of insulin and some diabetes pills, sulfonylureas and meglitinides (Prandin), is
to lower blood glucose by making more insulin. So, you should not drink when your blood glucose is low or when your stomach is
empty.






For More Help and Support

To find out exactly how much of what types of foods you should eat, we suggest you work with a registered dietitian (RD) who has
experience working with people who have diabetes. This person can help support your efforts to change your eating habits and control
your blood glucose level. To find a registered dietitian near you:

1. Locate the names of American Diabetes Association Recognized Diabetes Education Programs in your area or call 1-800-DIABETES
(1-800-342-2383).

2. Call The American Dietetic Association at 1-800-366-1655. Ask for the names of dietitians in your area that specialize in
diabetes.

3. Call the American Association of Diabetes Educators, at 1-800-TEAM-UP4 (1-800-832-6874). Ask for the names of several diabetes
educators in your zip code.


--
http://www.diabetes.org
Shadow-Spirit
39 - Male - Type - 2
Dx'd January 27, 2003
330lbs now 264
A1C = 5.1 July 15

"Shadow-Spirit" (aka Sushi Boy CheeseBurger Copulator) quoted the ADA in
part ...

you get all the nutrients to be in good health. For example, within the
fruit group, bananas are a good source of potassium and oranges are a good
source of vitamin C.
__________________________________________________ __________________________

Hmmmm, interesting. A banana has about 29 carbs, and a high glysemic index
(meaning it converts to sugar *very* quickly). For example, sugar has an
index of 75 and a banana has an index of 60. I wonder if the ADA forgot
about this, or just doesn't care about what this type of food will do to a
BG. Well, I guess they think that as long as you are under 180 2 hrs PP,
everything is hokey dokey. Or so they say on their web site.

Arnie -

"Arnie Macy" <kt4st@csam.net> wrote in message
news:bh4dbh$tv3ht$1@ID-166180.news.uni-berlin.de...
Yeah, but check to see what a serving size is. 1/2 of a small banana is
considered a serving.

--
Type 2
http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

"Julie Bove" wrote ...

Yeah, but check to see what a serving size is. 1/2 of a small banana is
considered a serving.
__________________________________________________ ___________________

Okay, Julie. That would be 14 gms carb and the Glycemic index would stay
the same. No different than eating a slice of white bread or about 11 gms
of pure sugar.

Arnie -

"Arnie Macy" <kt4st@csam.net> wrote in message
news:bh4gqs$uch6r$1@ID-166180.news.uni-berlin.de...
Yes there is. Potassium! *L*

--
Type 2
http://users.bestweb.net/~jbove/

"Julie Bove" wrote ...

Yes there is. Potassium! *L*
__________________________________________________ ______________

Yep, you are certainly right about that. :-))

Arnie -

"Arnie Macy" <kt4st@csam.net> wrote in message news:bh4gqs$uch6r$1@ID-166180.news.uni-berlin.de...
: "Julie Bove" wrote ...
:
: Yeah, but check to see what a serving size is. 1/2 of a small banana is
: considered a serving.
: __________________________________________________ ___________________
:
: Okay, Julie. That would be 14 gms carb and the Glycemic index would stay
: the same. No different than eating a slice of white bread or about 11 gms
: of pure sugar.
:
: Arnie -
:

LOL - Arnie if you think there is no difference between bananas, white bread and sugar.
lol i suggest you see a dietitian - you have a lot to learn - do you just copy and paste
the information you post? because everytime i see you talk i think to my self - how can
he understand the other posts if he cant understand this.
Arnie you are free to post here but please see a dietitian - your diet must be a mess.
bye the way did you read the warnings that the ADA says about high protein diets?
il be posting a link to that soon.
lol also just wondering - if i keep changing names are you always going to keep
adding the ADA opps i mean AKA thing?
Shadow

Shadow-Spirit scribbled these tid bits

He never said any such thing.

You see him "talk"? where?

He needs your permission?

The ADA "says" warnings? Or do they "issue them"?

Who will?

Who cares what you do?

--
"If the Lord can see his way clear to bless
the Republican Party the way it's been carrying
on, then the rest of us ought to get it without
even asking." - Will Rogers
-----------------------------------------------
http://www.livejournal.com/users/ronnie_in_dc

"Shadow-Spirit" (aka Sushi Boy CheeseBurger Copulator) wrote ...

LOL - Arnie if you think there is no difference between bananas, white
bread and sugar. lol i suggest you see a dietitian - you have a lot to
learn - do you just copy and paste the information you post? because
everytime i see you talk i think to my self - how can he understand the
other posts if he cant understand this. Arnie you are free to post here but
please see a dietitian - your diet must be a mess. bye the way did you read
the warnings that the ADA says about high protein diets? il be posting a
link to that soon. lol also just wondering - if i keep changing names are
you always going to keep adding the ADA opps i mean AKA thing?
__________________________________________________ ________________________

There *are* differences between bananas, white bread, and sugar. (a ripe
banana has a yellow skin, for example :-) However, once they are digested,
they will have the exact same effect on your BG because they all have about
the same Glycemic index. What do you think happens to the banana, piece of
white bread, or sugar once it enters your system -- nothing? As to my diet,
I've maintained my weight loss (from 220 to 160) for nearly five years and
have no indication of reduced kidney function whatever. I've read the
*dated* warnings from the ADA but prefer to cite current research that
thoroughly disproves that theory.

Arnie -

The American Diabetes Association. Proudly killing people with diabetes
throughout the decades.

One only hopes that the people in the organization who put out this dietary
advice crap will take their own advice, die, and make room for some people
who actually know something about controlling diabetes through diet to come
into the organization.

But since they're funded by the companies that reap huge profits off of the
elevated blood sugars their "diabetic diet" causes, I'm not holding my
breath.

-- Jenny
168.5/138.5 30 lbs lost by 8/2/03!
Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now

http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean
How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each
month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings
* Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats *
Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise
Starting from Zero * NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work?


"Shadow-Spirit" <mrgantlet911(remove)@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:1060480362.295023@nntp.acecape.com...

Jenny,
These types of inflammatory comments are not useful to anyone. You might
want to remember that some diabetics do well on the ADA recommended diet.
Others do not. I'm happy that you have found a way of eating that works for
you. If you do not support the ADA, and their efforts to help diabetes
education and research, then so be it. However, I think it is tacky to
accuse them of "proudly killing people with diabetes throughout the
decades."
Steph

"Jenny" <jenny_the_bean@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bh5f01$6a5$1@bob.news.rcn.net...

Steph,

If more people heard such "inflammatory" comments, maybe they wouldn't
attempt to control their diabetes with 300 gm carb diets and thus avoid
diabetic complications.

There is NO excuse for the lousy advice the ADA sends out. They do not do
significant education. They collect a lot of money but fund very little
useful research. Most of their money is spent on so-called education (eat
that low fat 300 gm a day diet!)

The organization that does fund research is the Juvenile Diabetes
Association. The ADA is a drug-company funded disgrace.

-- Jenny
168.5/138.5 30 lbs lost by 8/2/03!
Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now

http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean
How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose each
month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger Cravings
* Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats *
Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise
Starting from Zero * NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work?


"Stephanie Kolban" <noemail@noemail.com> wrote in message
news:vjcrotnpaqlb30@corp.supernews.com...

Well, as a newbie, I find that fascinating. I may have blindly followed the
ADA if not for your "inflammatory comments". Thank you for causing me to
think twice and be a little more open minded about seeking other resources.
Actually, my first step was to go to their website. I didn't find it to be
very helpful, but rather self promoting and wanting in my wallet.
So thank you.

"Jenny" <jenny_the_bean@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bh5rbq$8nj$1@bob.news.rcn.net...

"Shadow-Spirit" <mrgantlet911(remove)@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<1060489806.392267@nntp.acecape.com>...
Well, according the the information you posted:

"Sugar and Diabetes

Research studies show that, gram for gram, sugars, like table sugar,
do not raise blood glucose any more quickly than do other
carbohydrates, like potatoes, rice or pasta. This research holds true
for people with type 1 and type 2 diabetes."

So, as far as their effect on blood glucose, there isn't.



because everytime i see you talk i think to my self - how can

"Shadow-Spirit" <mrgantlet911(remove)@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<1060480362.295023@nntp.acecape.com>...
<deletia>

Another way of phrasing this would be "Other carbohydrates like potatoes,
rice and pasta raise blood glucose just a quickly as sugars like table
sugar".
Hmmm, so they're telling you to eat a diet heavy on starches, then admit
that starches are equivalent to table sugar in affecting blood glucose.
This is preposterous.
I'm starting to think the ADA is a shill for the drug companies;
they're recommending a diet that is guaranteed to make diabetics need
more glucophage, glipizide, etc to control their blood glucose.

It's not "tacky" to post the absolute truth - the ADA recommended diet
borders on being criminal.....

I doubt anyone has had "success" with their diet. In my case, they limited
meat to one ounce per day. They loaded up carbs to more than 100 grams per
meal. I ate ONE meal as they suggested, and even with a portion that was
only about four ounces total, my BS went up 150 points. Their response? Have
your doctor increase your meds.....!!!!!

I fired the diabetic nurses AND the near-criminal dietician that day. On a
sensible low carb regimen, by BS averages in the 80s and 90s.

There is no "rocket science" involved in determining just how dangerous the
ADA and it's phony propaganda are.....

PC

"Stephanie Kolban" <noemail@noemail.com> wrote in message
news:vjcrotnpaqlb30@corp.supernews.com...
| Jenny,
| These types of inflammatory comments are not useful to anyone. You might
| want to remember that some diabetics do well on the ADA recommended diet.
| Others do not. I'm happy that you have found a way of eating that works
for
| you. If you do not support the ADA, and their efforts to help diabetes
| education and research, then so be it. However, I think it is tacky to
| accuse them of "proudly killing people with diabetes throughout the
| decades."
| Steph
|
| "Jenny" <jenny_the_bean@yahoo.com> wrote in message
| news:bh5f01$6a5$1@bob.news.rcn.net...
| > The American Diabetes Association. Proudly killing people with diabetes
| > throughout the decades.
| >
| > One only hopes that the people in the organization who put out this
| dietary
| > advice crap will take their own advice, die, and make room for some
people
| > who actually know something about controlling diabetes through diet to
| come
| > into the organization.
| >
| > But since they're funded by the companies that reap huge profits off of
| the
| > elevated blood sugars their "diabetic diet" causes, I'm not holding my
| > breath.
| >
| > -- Jenny
| > 168.5/138.5 30 lbs lost by 8/2/03!
| > Low Carb 9/1998 - 8/2001 and 11/10/02 - Now
| >
| > http://www.geocities.com/jenny_the_bean
| > How to calculate your need for protein * How much people really lose
each
| > month * Water Weight Gain & Loss * The "Two Gram Cure" for Hunger
| Cravings
| > * Characteristics of Successful Dieters * Indispensible Low Carb Treats
*
| > Should You Count that Low Impact Carb? * Curing Ketobreath * Exercise
| > Starting from Zero * NEW! Do Starch Blockers Work?
| >
| >
| > "Shadow-Spirit" <mrgantlet911(remove)@earthlink.net> wrote in message
| > news:1060480362.295023@nntp.acecape.com...
| > >
| > > yes i know other research has said
| > > other ways are better but
| > > after review it was not enough to change
| > > the minds of the USFDA ( center for food safety and applied nutrition
or
| > the American Diabetes Association.)
| > >
| > >
| > > Using the Diabetes Food Pyramid
| > >
| > >
| http://www.diabetes.org/main/health/...oodpyramid.jsp
| > >
| > > The Diabetes Food Pyramid has six sections for food groups. These
| > sections vary in size. The largest group -- grains, beans, and
| > > starchy vegetables -- is on the bottom. This means that you should
eat
| > more servings of grains, beans, and starchy vegetables than
| > > of any of the other foods. The smallest group -- fats, sweets, and
| > alcohol -- is at the top of the pyramid. This tells you to eat
| > > very few servings from these food groups.
| > >
| > > Eat servings from all the food groups other than the fats, sweets, and
| > alcohol, every day. Eat the recommended number of servings
| > > on the pyramid within each food group. The exact number of servings
you
| > need depends on your diabetes goals, calorie and nutrition
| > > needs, your lifestyle, and the foods you like to eat. Divide the
number
| > of servings you should eat among the meals and snacks you
| > > eat each day. The Diabetes Food Pyramid makes it easier to remember
| what
| > to eat. For a healthy meal plan that is based on your
| > > individual needs, you should work with a registered dietitian (RD)
with
| > expertise in diabetes management. To find an RD with
| > > diabetes expertise, read the section below titled For More Help and
| > Support.
| > >
| > > The First Step
| > >
| > > For most people, a great first step to healthier eating habits is to
| make
| > a few simple changes. Perhaps you decide to eat more
| > > fruits and vegetables and to go lighter on the meats and sweets. If
you
| > make these changes and stick to them, pat yourself on the
| > > back. Before you make more changes, make sure you maintain the ones
you
| > have made. When you are ready, decide on the next change.
| > > Keep it easy to accomplish.
| > >
| > > As you continue to change your eating habits to manage your diabetes,
| the
| > diabetes food pyramid can help you and your whole family
| > > eat healthier. Here are some more healthy eating tips:
| > >
| > > a.. Eat a wide variety of foods every day. Try new foods. Eating a
| > wide variety of foods, even from the same food group, helps
| > > you get all the nutrients to be in good health. For example, within
the
| > fruit group, bananas are a good source of potassium and
| > > oranges are a good source of vitamin C.
| > >
| > >
| > > b.. Be physically active every day. Try to accumulate 30 minutes
of
| > physical activity each day. Start slowly, by taking the
| > > stairs and walking more, or doing more yardwork.
| > >
| > >
| > > c.. Eat high-fiber foods such as fruits, vegetables, whole grains
and
| > beans. These are the foods you should primarily eat. They
| > > provide lots of vitamins, minerals, and fiber, yet they provide the
| least
| > concentrated sources of calories.
| > >
| > >
| > > d.. Use less added fat. It is well known that eating many foods
that
| > are high in fat, particularly ones with too much saturated
| > > fat and dietary cholesterol, can contribute to the development of
| clogged
| > and narrowed arteries. This can lead to heart disease and
| > > people with diabetes are at an even greater risk for developing heart
| > disease.
| > >
| > >
| > > e.. Use less added sugar. Sugary foods, like jelly beans and
regular
| > soft drinks, and sweets, like ice cream and cookies, are
| > > not healthy for anyone. They provide a bunch of calories with little
or
| > no nutrients. Yet sugary foods and sweets are enjoyable to
| > > eat. Strike a balance -- practice moderation.
| > >
| > >
| > > f.. Use less added salt and sodium. Americans eat more salt and
| sodium
| > than they need. Most of the sodium we eat comes from
| > > processed foods like cold cuts, prepared foods, canned soups, and
| pickles.
| > To keep your salt and sodium intake moderate, shake the
| > > salt shaker lightly and use more fresh and unprocessed foods.
| > >
| > >
| > > g.. If you choose to drink alcohol, limit the amount and drink it
with
| > food. Check with your health care professional about an
| > > amount that's safe for you.
| > > Next Step ... Learn More
| > >
| > > Starches and Diabetes
| > >
| > > Eat more starches! It is healthiest for everyone to eat more whole
| > grains, beans, and starchy vegetables such as peas, corn,
| > > potatoes and winter squash. Starches are good for you because they
have
| > very little fat, saturated fat, or cholesterol.
| > >
| > >
| > > Vegetables and Diabetes
| > >
| > > When it comes to vegetables, people with diabetes should eat at least
| > three servings a day. Vegetables are healthy, chock full of
| > > vitamins and minerals, and some give you much needed fiber. The best
| > part: vegetables are naturally low in calories.
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > > Fruit and Diabetes
| > > Questions about fruit keep coming up. Will fruit juice increase blood
| > glucose levels more quickly than a piece of fruit? Should
| > > you avoid fruit in the morning because your blood glucose might be
| higher
| > than at other times in the day? Is it better to eat fruit
| > > with meals rather than snacks?
| > >
| > > Milk and Diabetes
| > > People with diabetes are at the same risk for osteoporosis as the
| general
| > public. Fat-free (skim) and low-fat (1%) milk and yogurt
| > > will provide the calcium you need without saturated fat and
cholesterol.
| > >
| > >
| > > Protein (Meat, Poultry, Seafood, Cheese, Eggs, Etc.) and Diabetes
| > >
| > > People with diabetes have no less or more need for protein than the
| > general public. The American Diabetes Association nutrition
| > > guidelines suggest eating between 10 and 20% of your calories as
| protein.
| > The Recommended Daily Allowance (RDA) for protein is 0.8
| > > grams per kilogram of body weight.
| > >
| > > Fat and Diabetes
| > >
| > > Fat ought to make up about 30% of your calories. The total amount of
fat
| > you eat should be based on the foods you like and your
| > > goals for eating healthy and blood lipid (blood fats) and glucose
| control.
| > You need an individualized meal plan.
| > >
| > > Sugar and Diabetes
| > >
| > > Research studies show that, gram for gram, sugars, like table sugar,
do
| > not raise blood glucose any more quickly than do other
| > > carbohydrates, like potatoes, rice or pasta. This research holds true
| for
| > people with type 1 and type 2 diabetes.
| > >
| > > Alcohol and Diabetes
| > >
| > > Beyond all the health and safety concerns about alcohol, if you have
| > diabetes and are on diabetes medications that lower blood
| > > glucose, you need to practice caution. The action of insulin and some
| > diabetes pills, sulfonylureas and meglitinides (Prandin), is
| > > to lower blood glucose by making more insulin. So, you should not
drink
| > when your blood glucose is low or when your stomach is
| > > empty.
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > >
| > > For More Help and Support
| > >
| > > To find out exactly how much of what types of foods you should eat, we
| > suggest you work with a registered dietitian (RD) who has
| > > experience working with people who have diabetes. This person can help
| > support your efforts to change your eating habits and control
| > > your blood glucose level. To find a registered dietitian near you:
| > >
| > > 1. Locate the names of American Diabetes Association Recognized
Diabetes
| > Education Programs in your area or call 1-800-DIABETES
| > > (1-800-342-2383).
| > >
| > > 2. Call The American Dietetic Association at 1-800-366-1655. Ask for
the
| > names of dietitians in your area that specialize in
| > > diabetes.
| > >
| > > 3. Call the American Association of Diabetes Educators, at
| 1-800-TEAM-UP4
| > (1-800-832-6874). Ask for the names of several diabetes
| > > educators in your zip code.
| > >
| > >
| > > --
| > > http://www.diabetes.org
| > > Shadow-Spirit
| > > 39 - Male - Type - 2
| > > Dx'd January 27, 2003
| > > 330lbs now 264
| > > A1C = 5.1 July 15
| > >
| > >
| >
| >
|
|

In article <vjcrotnpaqlb30@corp.supernews.com>,
"Stephanie Kolban" <noemail@noemail.com> wrote:

I'll bet they have to take meds in order to accomplish that, though.

Priscilla

"Tony Lew" responded to Shadow Spirit (aka Sushi Boy CheeseBurger Copulator)
and wrote ...

Sushi Boy : "LOL - Arnie if you think there is no difference between
bananas, white bread and sugar. lol i suggest you see a dietitian - you
have a lot to learn - do you just copy and paste the information you post?"

"Well, according the information you posted: "Sugar and Diabetes Research
studies show that, gram for gram, sugars, like table sugar, do not raise
blood glucose any more quickly than do other carbohydrates, like potatoes,
rice or pasta. This research holds true for people with type 1 and type 2
diabetes."

So, as far as their effect on blood glucose, there isn't.
__________________________________________________ __________________________

Thanks for the reply, Tony. Talking to Sushi Boy is like talking to a brick
wall. My only hope is that he sees the light at some point and looks to
other sources than just the ADA.

Arnie -

Why should he? By his accounts the ADA diet is working for him with minimal
meds, so I don't see any reason why he'd want to consider anything else.

--
Will you sponsor me in the Tour de Cure?
http://main.diabetes.org/site/TR?pg=...058&px=1626087


"Arnie Macy" <kt4st@csam.net> wrote in message
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The key here is the serving size. Take cereal for example. For most
cereals, the serving size listed is far larger than the serving size a
diabetic is allowed, even on the ADA plan. Ditto for fruit, rice, baked
beans, and plenty of other foods. 15 g of carb is a serving on the ADA
diet. 6 x 15 = 90 g of carb per day, not counting the non-starchy
vegetables. I don't think that's an overly carby diet. Now granted, I did
go to the low end of the scale for what they call healthy eating. But you
can't just pick and choose various comments to focus on. They also say
something to the effect of the diet varying from person to person depending
on height, weight, activity etc.

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