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Alternative treatments for progressive heart failure?
Posted by Nor


My father only has 30% of his heart working and he was recently
diagnosed with progressive heart failure. The doctors told him there
was nothing else they could do. Is anyone aware of any treatments for
PHF?

Posted by 60mm


Hi there,

Ask the doctor that if he increases Nitric Oxide intake of a night, can that
help with his condition. The reason I say this is that according to Dr.
Louis Iganrro (Nobel Prize Winner of Medicine 1998) has studied and
dedicated his life to researching the health enhancing effects of Nitirc
Oxide and what it can do for your heart as well as other
symptons/conditions. If you want to know more info I can send this if
requested. I have some info that can help you understand and perhaps show
his doctor and try out. He has nothing to lose except gain better health.


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Posted by George Lagergren


"Nor" <Nor@mindless-dot-com.no-spam.invalid> wrote:
Perhaps taking a "food-form" type nutritional supplements from
Standard Process may help.
SP makes "food-form" vitamins like natural Vitamin B complex (which
includes Vitamin B-4) and natural Vitamin E complex (which includes
Vitamins E-2 & E-3).





Posted by just Ed


Nor wrote:
not what I'd call 'treatment' but maybe you'll be interested in
an old post of mine:
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/...458ea07?hl=en&

also, pubmed searching on 'coq10 heart' looks quite promising.
That's in addition to replacing the CoQ10 which my mom's statin
was trashing.


Posted by Sbharris[atsign]ix.netcom.com



George Lagergren wrote:

COMMENT:

Snake oil. From a company that does "reflex testing", sells Willard
water, and does "body scans" (no CT or MRI involved).

The Standard Process products contain "whole foods." And they would
dearly like you to believe the vitamins are extracted or entirely
derived from whole foods. If you don't read the fine print. No vitamin
company gets their vitamins from foods. No vitamin company could afford
to.

Vitamin "B4" was a scientific mistake, and no such thing exists
(anymore than B7. B8, B9, B10, or B-11. Or B13 or 15).

There is no vitamin E-2 or E-3, just various vitamers of vitamin E,
don't have numbers. And finally, since vitamin E as d-alpha tocopherol
increased heart failure in the HOPE trial, and did no good for the
otherwise, it's the LAST thing you'd want to take if you had heart
failure.

Diabetes Care. 2002 Nov;25(11):1919-27.

Effects of vitamin E on cardiovascular and microvascular outcomes in
high-risk patients with diabetes: results of the HOPE study and
MICRO-HOPE substudy.

Lonn E, Yusuf S, Hoogwerf B, Pogue J, Yi Q, Zinman B, Bosch J, Dagenais
G, Mann JF, Gerstein HC; HOPE Study; MICRO-HOPE Study.

Department of Medicine and Population Health Institute, McMaster
University, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. lonnem@mcmaster.ca

OBJECTIVES: Experimental and observational studies suggest that vitamin
E may reduce the risk of cardiovascular (CV) events and of
microvascular complications in people with diabetes. However, data from
randomized clinical trials are limited. Therefore, we evaluated the
effects of vitamin E supplementation on major CV outcomes and on the
development of nephropathy in people with diabetes. RESEARCH DESIGN AND
METHODS: The Heart Outcomes Prevention Evaluation (HOPE) trial is a
randomized clinical trial with a 2 x 2 factorial design, which
evaluated the effects of vitamin E and of ramipril in patients at high
risk for CV events. Patients were eligible for the study if they were
55 years or older and if they had CV disease or diabetes with at least
one additional coronary risk factor. The study was designed to recruit
a large number of people with diabetes, and the analyses of the effects
of vitamin E in this group were replanned. Patients were randomly
allocated to daily treatment with 400 IU vitamin E and with 10 mg
ramipril or their respective placebos and were followed
for an average of 4.5 years. The primary study outcome was the
composite of
myocardial infarction, stroke, or CV death. Secondary outcomes included
total mortality, hospitalizations for heart failure, hospitalizations
for unstable angina, revascularizations, and overt nephropathy.
RESULTS: There were 3,654 people with diabetes. Vitamin E had a neutral
effect on the primary study outcome (relative risk = 1.03, 95% CI
0.88-1.21; P = 0.70), on each component of the composite primary
outcome, and on all predefined secondary outcomes.

CONCLUSIONS: The daily administration of 400 IU vitamin E for an
average of 4.5 years to middle-aged and elderly people with diabetes
and CV disease and/or additional coronary risk factor(s) has no effect
on CV outcomes or nephropathy.

Publication Types:
Clinical Trial
Multicenter Study
Randomized Controlled Trial

PMID: 12401733 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Posted by Bill


Here in Atlanta a hospital, I believe St. Joseph's, showed they were
taking muscle fiber from a man's thigh and injecting it into this
heart. I don't remember all the facts but I remeber the man was
interviewed some weeks after the procedure and he was raving about
good he felt. I believe he had PHF.

Do googleing for using muscle tissue to be injected into the heart.

Good luck.



On Mon, 8 Aug 2005 13:01:20 +0000 (UTC),
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