Johnny Judas Jay "I even sound like a dope" Maharaj wrote:

It triphala, Jay, you dopehead! Just because you learned to speak in
that godawful Dillee accent doesn't mean that Hindi is to be spoken that
way. Besides, the word is Sanskrit in origin, not Hindi. So, FO and mind
your own damn business.

Got mangoes, Jay?

Maharaj,

I am wondering, not being a native Hindi or Samskrit speaker, why you
consider the "a" at the end of the word inaccurate ? I was under the
impression that the "a" denoted a word written without a hal-anth. And as
far as I remember the term Triphala is written without a hal-anth.

Regards
StrQST


On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 01:38:47 +0000, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:

In article <pan.2003.06.23.11.43.14.744630@yahoo.com>,
"StrQST" <strqst400@yahoo.com> posted:
I realize that you're not a native Sanskrit or Hindi speaker.
That's Sanskrit, not "Samskrit". Even more accurately, it's Sunskrit.

Because it is inaccurate. The re is no "aa" sound at
the end of "Triphal" -- unlike the "aa" sound at the end
of "America". The "a" at the end of words that do not
have the "aa" sound misleads foreigners into mispronouncing
such words (examples: Karm, Dharm, Anand, etc.)

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

I could always call it by it's sanskrit (aka SamSkrit) name
"Phala" as it is written in the Sushruta and Charaka.

But we are getting hungup on spellings here.
When you translate anything from devanagari script with its some 500
plus charicters into english with its 27 letters you are bound to
loose something.

mabey people here could benefit from your explanation of sanskrit
suffixes and word combinations.

Yours,

Eric



usenet@mantra.com (Dr. Jai Maharaj) wrote in message news:<health-23h9846f.20030622@news.mantra.com>...

Eric,

Whereas I completely agree with the spelling analysis, SamSkrit ( as you
correctly pointed out) requires correct pronounciation as well. That is
where the problem starts. Calling something Triphal ( pronounciation wise
) instead of TriPhala or Phala causes it to become something else
altogether.

It is this cold-blooded murder of the language of the Gods that I am
opposed to.

Warmly yours,
StrQST

On Wed, 25 Jun 2003 17:00:47 +0000, Eric Lloyd wrote:

In article <d1adb7c.0306251600.759a914@posting.google.com>,
ayurveda4life@lycos.com (Eric Lloyd) posted:
No, the Roman script is not used in those texts. Therefore
"Phala" does not exist in them.

You are absolutely correct.

Yes, but I teach it using the Devanagari script, in person -- without
using the Roman. In this way the student learns the pronunciation
associated with the words written in Devanagari, without the
inadequate Roman script. Dhanyavaad for your comments.

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

In article <pan.2003.06.26.12.10.35.205871@yahoo.com>,
"Narayanan R Pillai" <strqst400@yahoo.com>
American Medical & Life Insurance Company
35 Broadway, Hicksville, NY 11801-4236
posted:

Good, you hve learned a lesson. Next lesson: most
accurately, it's Sunskrt, not "SamSkrit". Stop
trying to learn a language from a web site you
discovered a few months ago. Instead, learn it from
a native speaker. And, learn it in the Devanagari, not
the ROman script. You have obviously not learned the
script yet.

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

In article <pan.2003.06.26.23.16.20.849823@yahoo.com>,
"Narayanan R Pillai" <strqst400@yahoo.com>
American Medical & Life Insurance Company
35 Broadway, Hicksville, NY 11801-4236
posted:

You learned the lesson, even if you tried to disguise
this fact by showing it as an irony. If you really want
to learn Sanskrit, the first thing you have to unlearn
is your dependence on, and hiding behind a false ego.
Learn English too -- do not place a space before the "?"
as you did above.

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

In article <pan.2003.06.26.23.31.33.959251@yahoo.com>,
"Narayanan R Pillai" <strqst400@yahoo.com>
American Medical & Life Insurance Company
35 Broadway, Hicksville, NY 11801-4236
posted:

There's no space before the "?" as you have written above
and below. Learn this.

The word is more accurately written as Shuddh.

I know many languages. Yes, there are Urdu speakers
throughout Bharat, and in Uttar Pradesh. What's your
point?

Mine is the native pronunciation. You are the one
who is foreign to the language.

Afraid to do it now, Pillai?

Hindoo is more accurate. The word is Sanaatan, not "Sanatana".
And, Dhurmee is more accurate. You have called yourself a
Hindu earlier. Are you changing your colors again. Keralite?

That's quite obvious.

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 01:19:08 +0000, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:

language.

So ?

Native hindi and Sanskrit speakers tend to use words that are in Sanskrit
Lexicons. Ursu and Farsi speakers tend to use theirs. You did the latter.
That is the point

nothing more to add from your end, I suggest you pick something else to
talk about. Panini's Sandhi rules shows that you are in grave error.

No, just sticking to the point.

There is no such term as "Hindoo" in my religion. That is the what the
invaders called it. You can stick to your slave mentality and continue
using that term, if you will. Your UP heritage just shows. Lucknow, is it
?

And about the Kerala thing, wrong again. Just continue the Bhaiya tradition of
Madrasi. That is about as sophisticated as I expect you to get.


But atleast some one who knows the language better than you. Read again
for your edification.

Shiv + Isha = Shiveesha
Shiva + Isha = Shiv-Ay-Sha

Karm + Isha = Karmeesha
Karma + Isha = Karm-Ay-Sha

StrQST

In article <pan.2003.06.27.10.47.40.355721@yahoo.com>,
"Narayanan R Pillai" <strqst400@yahoo.com>
American Medical & Life Insurance Company
35 Broadway, Hicksville, NY 11801-4236
posted:

I consider it sufficient to tell you here that there's to
be no space before the "?" in the text you wrote. Now, you
can spend your own time in researching it and learning. Be
thankful for the guidance you have received.

You have been exposed to another lesson, that's what.
But your ego and arrogance seem to be in your way
of learning.

No, I didn't. You don't know the Devanagiri script and
sufficient Sanskrit to make a correct judgment. Most
Keralites don't. You call Sanskrit your "adopted language" --
learn it from a native speaker from the region of the language's
birth, not just from a web site you discovered a few months ago.

No, you are not a native speaker of Sanskrit as you have confessed.
Your judgment is erroneous.

Obviously, you are not aware of how the word is wtitten. There
is a "oo" sound at the end.

Pillai, you are again incorrect. It is an indigenous word (Hindu, Hindoo).
I have posted the evidence in the past. Want to read it again?

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:05:32 +0000, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:

pronunciation of Shiva as Shiv. There is no lesson to be learnt here
unless you are willing to admit your erroneous ways.


Right, now Firangee is a Sanskrit word ? What is its root form ? I think
you should stick to Urdu/Farsi or whatever is your mother-toungue, instead
of polluting Sanskrit.

trying to tell me that he is wrong ?

Read again:
Shiv + Isha = Shiveesha
Shiva + Isha = Shiv-Ay-Sha

Karm + Isha = Karmeesha
Karma + Isha = Karm-Ay-Sha


Dharma is the name. Hindoo or Hindu is a much more modern term, 1400-1600
AD if I am not badly mistaken.


StrQST

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:11:12 +0000, Dr. Jai Maharaj wrote:

English does not have a specification for the position of its punctuation
marks. Except that it be after the sentence.


no concept of geography, have you ? And what is a Xtian ? A native of Xt ?
Or is this some Sanskrit word too ?

attempt to get back ? You will have to try better than that
Stevens/Jai/Jay.

Yeah, I post from my company, my time. What about you ? Using the public
library eh ?

StrQST

ps: next time try a slightly more subtle trick than setting a mail-to
header will you ?

In article <pan.2003.06.27.22.23.23.13508@yahoo.com>,
"Narayanan R Pillai" <strqst400@yahoo.com>
American Medical & Life Insurance Company
35 Broadway, Hicksville, NY 11801-4236
posted:

Huh?

Jai Maharaj is my name. You, Pillai, are simply repeating
a lie posted by one or more people.

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

In article <pan.2003.06.27.22.03.41.467909@yahoo.com>,

"Narayanan R Pillai" <strqst400@yahoo.com>
American Medical & Life Insurance Company
35 Broadway, Hicksville, NY 11801-4236
posted:

I already told you several times: there's no "aa" sound
as there is in "America" in "Shiv". Don't write an "a"
at the end of "Shiv".

No, there's no "a" after "Sanatan", and there's no "a" after "Dharm".
Here's the vidence of the word Hindu (or Hindoo) being indigenous:

''HINDU'' DOES NOT COME FROM ''SINDHU''

How many times have you explained that the name of your
religion is a concoction invented by the Persians who
called the people who lived beyond the Sindhu River
''Hindus,'' mispronouncing the ''S''?

Recant.

A. Krishna Kumar of Hyderabad, India, explains. ''This
[Sindhu/Hindu] view is untenable since Indians at that
time enviably ranked highest in the world in terms of
civilization and wealth would not have been without a
name. They were not the unknown aborigines waiting to be
discovered, identified and Christened by foreigners.''

He cites a more solid argument from the book Self-
Government in India by N. B. Pavgee, published in 1912.
The author tells of an old Swami and Sanskrit scholar
Mangal Nathji, who found an ancient Puran known as
Brihannaradi in the Sham village, Hoshiarpur, Punjab. It
contained the verse:

HIMALAYAM SAMARABHYA YAVAT BINDUSAROVARAM
HINDUSTHANAMITI QYATAM HI ANTARAKSHARAYOGATAH

Kumar translates it as:

''The country lying between the Himalayan mountain and
Bindu Sarovara (Cape Comorin sea) is known as Hindusthan
by combination of the first letter 'hi' of 'Himalaya' and
the last compound letter 'ndu' of the word 'Bindu.'''
Source - Hinduism Today, April 1992.

Visit http://www.hindu.org

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti

In article <pan.2003.06.29.11.33.58.235498@yahoo.com>,
"StrQST" <strqst400@yahoo.com> posted:
"Narayanan R Pillai" <strqst400@yahoo.com>
American Medical & Life Insurance Company
35 Broadway, Hicksville, NY 11801-4236
posted:
Read again the evidence of the word
Hindu (or Hindoo) being indigenous:

''HINDU'' DOES NOT COME FROM ''SINDHU''

How many times have you explained that the name of your
religion is a concoction invented by the Persians who
called the people who lived beyond the Sindhu River
''Hindus,'' mispronouncing the ''S''?

Recant.

A. Krishna Kumar of Hyderabad, India, explains. ''This
[Sindhu/Hindu] view is untenable since Indians at that
time enviably ranked highest in the world in terms of
civilization and wealth would not have been without a
name. They were not the unknown aborigines waiting to be
discovered, identified and Christened by foreigners.''

He cites a more solid argument from the book Self-
Government in India by N. B. Pavgee, published in 1912.
The author tells of an old Swami and Sanskrit scholar
Mangal Nathji, who found an ancient Puran known as
Brihannaradi in the Sham village, Hoshiarpur, Punjab. It
contained the verse:

HIMALAYAM SAMARABHYA YAVAT BINDUSAROVARAM
HINDUSTHANAMITI QYATAM HI ANTARAKSHARAYOGATAH

Kumar translates it as:

''The country lying between the Himalayan mountain and
Bindu Sarovara (Cape Comorin sea) is known as Hindusthan
by combination of the first letter 'hi' of 'Himalaya' and
the last compound letter 'ndu' of the word 'Bindu.'''
Source - Hinduism Today, April 1992.

Visit http://www.hindu.org

Jai Maharaj
http://www.mantra.com/jai
Om Shanti