http://www.consumerhealth.org/articl...19990303140150

<<snip>>
The most common symptom of iron overload is a fatigue that is disabling
<<snip>>

<<snip>>
Arthritis caused by iron is common in anywhere from 35 to 60% of people
who have arthritis,
<<snip>>

<<snip>>
And the most common endocrine manifestation is diabetes.
<<snip>>

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From the article:

"His article, Hemochromatosis or Iron Overload - the Neglected Diagnosis
was a scathing attack on the medical profession for ignoring excess iron
in the body. Physicians were more interested in anaemias and low iron
deficiency and did not really perform the necessary tests of iron
metabolism to diagnose the opposite end of the spectrum - iron
overload."

This sets the context of his remarks, iron overload far in excess of
normal levels because of a genetic disorder, not from usual consumption
of iron bearing foods in the average diet. The small snips in the
original post give a grossly distorted impression.

Or you could killfile him and not have to see them...except when someone
quotes... ;-(

Bud

ironjustice@aol.com wrote:

From the url numbnutz quoted:


NOW! We know what affects rusty pants.

<calvin27@world.com> wrote in message
news:45476060$0$24656$1c4686b2@selenium.club.cc.cm u.edu...
From the article:

"His article, Hemochromatosis or Iron Overload - the Neglected Diagnosis
was a scathing attack on the medical profession for ignoring excess iron
in the body. Physicians were more interested in anaemias and low iron
deficiency and did not really perform the necessary tests of iron
metabolism to diagnose the opposite end of the spectrum - iron
overload."

This sets the context of his remarks, iron overload far in excess of
normal levels because of a genetic disorder, not from usual consumption
of iron bearing foods in the average diet. The small snips in the
original post give a grossly distorted impression.

well, of course the snips do, calvin. how could anyone support
and promote a spurious cause, which is for him an obsession, unless that
person disregards and distorts the facts?! rusty rump's brain is chock full
of i**n overload! there isn't any room in it for facts that don't point to
the conclusions he "needs" to see and wants others to see. anything that
contradicts his obsession, is invalid to him.

kate

normal levels because of a genetic disorder, not from usual
consumption
of iron bearing foods in the average diet. <<

A transferrin index of over .. over .. over .. o-v-e-r .. "greater than

/ > 55% can be a very useful indication of possible iron overload" ..


Now .. you believe that a marker of 31% - 37% is indicative of .. iron
overload .. do ya .. calvin ..


Now WHY would you be attempting to tell people that
the normal marker 31% - 37% .. mentioned above .. IS .. iron overload
... when in FACT .. 'they' consider it .. normal .. ?

Are you just .. stupid .. ? .. or you are not above .. lying .. to sick
... people ..


Take your .. pick .. you are a lying piece of crap with no regards for
your fellow man .. or you are .. stupid ..


You HAVE to pick .. one ..


Heh .. heh ..


http://www.ironpanel.org.au/AIS/AISd...aboratory.html


<<snip>>
Transferrin saturation
As an index of iron transport rather than storage, this measure
(calculated from serum iron and TIBC) is an alternative to serum
ferritin. However, as it is affected by the same confounding factors it

will not add much additional information in iron deficiency if a serum
ferritin has already been ordered. A serum transferrin saturation of



<<snip>>

Either way .. calvin .. you are useless .. buddieee .


Stay out of the medical newsgroups ..


See reason .. above ..


I'll snip it for stupid people .. "you are useless "


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For all those who are new here...

The author of the above post likes to flood newsgroups with (often useless)
articles which he interprets (or misinterprets) in a manner to support his
obsession with the "EVILS OF IRON". He gets very nasty when anyone points out
his mistakes. There are times when I think he should be used as a bad example
for anger management classes.

He is also a religious bigot, though he has toned that down a bit.

numbnuts tommy wrote:


No he isn't. YOU ARE, NUMBNUTZ.


... Somewhere in Canada, a village is missing its idiot.

Numbnutz tommy lied when he wrote:

IRON OVERLOAD Organ failure that results from excessive
accumulation of iron in the body, USUALLY as a result of
frequent transfusions or hemochromatosis.

HEMOCHROMATOIS A genetic disease marked by excessive
absorption and accumulation of iron in the body. The disease
is caused by one of several recessive mutations that result
in excessive absorption of iron from the GI tract. It is not
caused by secondary iron overload, as may occur in patients
who have received multiple transfusions or who have
hemolytic anemia. SYN: bronze diabetes.

Taber's CYCLOPEDIC MEDICAL DICTIONARY 19th EDITION


.... Is there a statute of limitations on Tom's stupidity?

Fire Chief wrote:

Hey... you're using facts. Don't be so unfair.


Anja

Numbnutz tommy wrote;


Anyone else notice he was posting at hotmail, not aol-from-hell?

Wonder if he forgot to pay his aol bill. <g>


.... I need a pooper scooper for numbnuts tom's ramblings.

I asked you about .. **non-transferrin bound iron** .. and you have no
reply ..

You say .. it .. doesn't .. even .. exist ..

Facts .. ?

Why don't you stay off my threads ..

You have nothing to add ..

You 'say' you do ..

But when pressured .. you crumble like crappy cookies ..

What good are ya ..

You prance around diabetes lists for .. years .. acting like you ..
'know' .. something ..

Buuut .. when the first sign of .. CALLING YOU ON YOUR BULLSHT .. what
happens .. ?

You run like a little .. pussy ..

Next time .. admit to being .. ignorant ..

Stand UP ..


Who loves ya.
Tom


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ironjustice@aol.com wrote:
You should keep your mouth shut until you learn to behave yourself like ay
grown up.
You should try to read the articles you post before doing so. So you won't
have to make yourself ridiculous by not even knowing their content. But
maybe you don't even want to know it because you simply don't understand
what you're talking about? If you want to be taken seriously you could start
be learning the principles of scientific work... or is it just a religious
crusade you're at and has nothing to do with science? Maybe you should
choose other newsgroups then... the alt.religious.* hierarchy might be the
place.
You can start with some apologies for your last lapses of behaviour. Then I
might consider answering.


Have a nice day.
Anja

YOU came onto my thread .. and said / questioned .. "FACTS" ..

Now .. facts .. may not be IMPORTANT to the likes of yourself ..

But .. me .. I work .. exclusively .. in .. facts ..

YOU said .. free floating iron / non transferrin bound iron .. doesn't
exist ..

That is a .. false .. FACT ..

Either .. you are .. right ..

Or .. I .. am ..

And since EVERY RESEARCHER IN THE WORLD .. agrees free floating /
nontransferrin bound iron .. exists ..

Buuut ..

What happens .. ?

YOU .. continue .. to .. attack ..

I asked you nicely to stay off my .. threads ..

Because .. ?

You are useless ..


Who loves ya.
Tom


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ironjustice@aol.com wrote:

Because you are misinterpreting the studies you posted.

Which you are misrepresenting.

You are misdirecting of my words. You did this before when implying a wrong
statement of insulin resistance and diabetes. Is that a form of dyslexia of
yours of are you deliberately misdirecting my words?

I expect an apologiy for that.

Did you think no one would notice your? Your knowledge of usenet seems
adaequat to that of medicine.

I will... if they don't misnterpret facts. If not I might want to indicate
their ridiculousness. So it's up to you. It's quite simple... stop posting
allogations and there is no need to correct your errors.

If that's your way of apologizing you might want to work on your technique.


Anja

<ironjustice@aol.com> wrote in message
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rusty rump said:

"YOU came onto my thread .. and said / questioned .. "FACTS" .."


*** SOLUTION: don't post in newsgroups, rusty rump.
instead, email your "facts" to yourself and then you will be perfectly
content with the response you receive.


"Now .. facts .. may not be IMPORTANT to the likes of yourself .."

****actually, it appears that facts are more important to
Anja, than they are to you.

"But .. me .. I work .. exclusively .. in .. facts .."

****i totally agree, you do "work exclusively in [sic -
with] facts"--but . . . you've never learned how to scientifically evaluate
nor apply them correctly. instead, you quilt with them, cut and patch, to
create your blanket theory of misinformation. you typify the ancient greek
axiom, "a sophomore [which translates from the greek into "a wise fool"]
with a little truth is dangerous."

<snipping the rusty blah blah blah>

kate





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Numbnutz tommy wrote:

'Cause you don't own the internet, crybaby.


.... Numbnutz Tom, a horrible example of unskilled labour.

Numbnutz tommy wrote:

She is.

You are not.

Only your untruhts.


Why don't you just keep you threads out of the newsgroups
if you can't handle replies, crybaby?

.... We need a pooper scooper for numbnutz' ramblings.

ah chief, 'tis much simpler [unfortunately]

started two days ago

207.200.116.132 = netscape.com

NetRange: 207.200.64.0 - 207.200.127.255
CIDR: 207.200.64.0/18
NetName: NETSCAPE-CIDR


netscape is owned by aol and the name is now = aol's cheaper [$6.95] dialup service

a free hotmail addy - takes the heat off his real aol/netscape addy

walking down memory lane, he is only looping back to his origins:

tannert@my-deja.com, from years ago...

could certainly give rise to certain suppositions/comments could it not?





Fire Chief wrote:

Anja Länge wrote:
Now this is the study you have such a problem .. with .. it seems ..

http://diabetes.diabetesjournals.org...full/52/5/1204

Pretty straight forward .. the researchers decided to see if low iron
diet might be a good inclusion in the .. program ..

It .. seems it .. is ..

YOU .. can't seem to understand .. u-n-d-e-r-s-t-a-n-d .. the
RESEARCHERS .. as opposed to dckhds on the web .. decided it .. "might
be a good plan to include low iron diet" ...

<<snip>>
nearly doubled renal and overall survival rates
<<snip>>


Now YOU ... have a problem with their .. work .. their .. conclusions
... OF .." 40-50% more effective" ..?

Keep it to yourself ..

And attacking .. on the BASIS of .. 'your' .. take ON .. my
'understandings' .. ?

Heh .. heh ..

Read my lips and .. F .. O .. because as I've pointed out before .. you
don't .. understand medical studies .. and if you DO .. then you are
attempting .. by hook or by .. crook .. TO .. detract FROM .. **low
iron diet** .. which **improves** therefore alleviates .. suffering ..

Heh .. heh ..

Stay away from me .. your regard for others might rub .. off ..

<<snip>>
Diabetic nephropathy has become the leading cause of uremia. Several
lines of evidence suggest dietary factors other than protein intake
have a substantial role in the progression of diabetic nephropathy to
end-stage renal disease. The present investigation was initiated to
evaluate whether a carbohydrate-restricted, low-iron-available,
polyphenol-enriched (CR-LIPE) diet may delay and improve the outcome of
diabetic nephropathy to a greater extent than standard protein
restriction. To this aim, 191 diabetic patients, all with type 2
diabetes, were randomized to either CR-LIPE or standard protein
restriction and the following outcomes monitored: doubling of serum
creatinine, cumulative incidence of end-stage renal disease, and all
cause mortality. Over a mean follow-up interval of 3.9 ± 1.8 years,
serum creatinine concentration doubled in 19 patients on CR-LIPE (21%)
and in 31 control subjects (39%) (P < 0.01). Renal replacement therapy
or death occurred in 18 patients on CR-LIPE (20%) and in 31 control
subjects (39%) (P < 0.01). These differences were independent from
follow-up interval, sex, mean arterial blood pressure, HbA1c, initial
renal dysfunction, and angiotensin system inhibitor use. In conclusion,
CR-LIPE was 40-50% more effective than standard protein restriction
in improving renal and overall survival rates.
<<snip>>


Who loves ya.
Tom


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