We all take turns "jumping on your threads" (since you aren't available to jump
on you in person) because we feel it necessary to warn people new to these
groups that you are a very nasty, mean-spirited, abusive individual with an
obsession about "THE DANGERS OF IRON" who slanders anyone who disagrees with
your diatribes and your doctrine.

Occasionally you do find something useful, which you generally misunderstand.
That may be why you post snippets; you probably don't understand the parts
which are in between.

Also, be advised that you don't own these newsgroups or the threads which are
posted there. If you don't want anyone to challenge your assumptions, leave the
newsgroups and start a mailing list. See if anyone really wants to read the
trash you post.

ironjustice@aol.com wrote:

Are you just a coward are is common behaviour at yours to keep lying and
poste allegations and not even being able to apologize for that? Or are your
parents still in progress with your education and still have not reached
that chapter?

You are free to try the apologogy thing again.

Yeah... the study... a perfect example of how not to do a study design. And
with just a little less stubbornness and a glimplse of the basics of
clinical research you'd notice and not disgraced yourself by posting it.

The study shows no effects if low iron diet since its data ascertainment is
insufficient. But I already told you that.

Oooohhh... poor little tucktuck... go and request some education from your
parents.

No. Just principles of clinical research and medicine.

Actually you pointed out nothing less then your completey unablility to
understand the texts you posted. Just remember the "No mention of .. genetic
... anywhere .. You bring it up .."
I had such a good laugh at that one. And there are so many more of those...
you're really funny, you know?

It doesn't and you weren't able to prove it does...

Gives you are VERY scientific touch...

*yawn*
Did I mention the insufficient data?


Anja

Yes you did ..

Buuuut .. like I said ..

Whooooo .. the .. fk .. are .. YOU .. ?

A dckhd on the web .. ?

I prefer the .. researchers who found .. 40 - 50% .. **increased** ..
SURVIVAL ...

Did I mention .. low - IRON - diet .. was **included** in the study ..
?

I believe I .. did ..

Who loves ya.
Tom


Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com


Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3


DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk


Reply »

ironjustice@aol.com wrote:

I already told you. You should really try reading before answering.

So what? The effect of the chosen protein as progression factor is known and
proven. The control group in your so called study had different composition
of protein and different amount of iron intake.
The data makes no differention between both. So... where is your prove...?
Remember the storks and the babies? Correleation not being causality?


I take your once agaain mising apologies as a confession that you
deliberately misdirected my words because you knew your argumentation was
sloppy.


Have a nice day
Anja

That is exactly the reply .. expected ..

The .. "so what" .. reason .. is .. 40 - 50% .. increased .. SURVIVAL
...

Now .. as an analogy ..

We have .. 'beav' .. and we have .. 'guy' ..

Take your pick ..

Stomp on one of their heads till their eyes pop right the fk .. out ..

Now don't .. stomp .. on the others ..

Now .. can you SEE .. the 'difference' ..

Now YOU .. "wish to take a different" .. route .. WHEN .. the study
SHOWS .. 50% .. increased survival .. already ..

Now .. whos' .. life are you .. playing with ..

The way research is .. done .. is .. NOW .. you attempt to IMPROVE on
... already .. PROVEN .. improvement ..

NOT .. "changing the program" .. to ANY ... great .. extent ..

That would INCLUDE .. not .. 'altering' .. the low - low .. low ..
l-o-w .. IRON .. portion OF .. the regimen ..

NOW .. you 'feel' .. you have something to .. offer as to 'radical'..
DIFFERENCE .. to .. THIS .. PROVEN .. regimen .. ?

THAT is NOT .. how .. it works ..

You should .. know .. that ..

Heh .. heh ..


Who loves ya.
Tom


Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com


Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3


DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

ironjustice@aol.com wrote:

Which is not to proven to be caused by low iron.

That is no study design.

It showed slowed progression. It did in no way prove an involvement of the
reduced iron because the study design gives no such data.

None. Because I don't draw conclusion on assumptions on insufficient data.

I don't have to. I simply state that you draw conclusions on insufficient
data.

I see a person needing to falsify statements and to insult because of his
lacks in argumentation. Who should ever take your words worth anything
again? You did a fantastic job in discrediting all ealier postings of yours
and those to come, showed your learning resistance and displayed your
inabilities in a very effective way. And you did it all by yourself ... a
very fruitful conversation. Thanks.
And if there should ever be the question for your reliability I will just
need the message-IDs of this thread.


Anja

Thanks, Norman! You got it all in a nutshell (pun intended)! Your post
should be in every newsgroups FAQ's. I'll check with my ng to see if they
would include it.

René


"Norman" <mr.bones@att.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1fb4881f4f7fb39898970b@127.0.0.1...

his
lacks in argumentation. <<

And I see a 'self professed nephologist' .. who upon noticing the word
... renal .. began to wax on about how her .. 'forte' is . big ..
"bigger than yours" ..

Firstly I see a person who brings in .. anemia on a low iron diet
thread to .. 'make it look' .. like .. low iron diet' would somehow
equate .. with ... woooo .. "anemia" .. and sure enough the next breath
... "iron supplementation REQUIRED because diet is not enough" ..

I see .. "what are your 'credentials' to speak to the kidney" ..?

I see .. mention of religion .. I see again mention of ..
"understanding" ..

THAT .. pressed .. many times ..

NOW .. ?

Again when your .. ass has been kicked .. again .. regimen which
includes **low-iron-diet** .. improves .. increases SURVIVAL ..
survival .. s-u-r-v-i-v-a-l ..

Not .. "progression" .. as you like to point out .. SURVIVAL ..

Dckhd ..

Stay off my threads ..

You have an .. agenda .. and ME .. is .. it ..

You don't 'like' that you .. believe .. I .. "don't understand" .. ?

Who cares what you like ..

Your .. PROVING .. as to .. proof .. is of no regard to .. me ..

Fifty percent increased survival .. S-U-R-V-I-V-A-L .. is what the
thread is about .. and who cares whether or not .. "prove" .. as
opposed to .. proof .. IS .. involved .. ?

Because PROOF in medicine .. rarely .. comes ..

"Correlation" .. which you so easily discard .. is the .. **goal** ..

Heh .. heh ..

Proof .. is gravy ..


Who loves ya.
Tom


Jesus Was A Vegetarian!
http://jesuswasavegetarian.7h.com


Man Is A Herbivore!
http://tinyurl.com/a3cc3


DEAD PEOPLE WALKING
http://tinyurl.com/zk9fk

ironjustice@aol.com wrote:

I wouldn't call study at a medical university "self processed".
But your vision hasn't been the best lately.


Anja

aaaaannnnnd now he's back using 66.222.239.162/telus, with the aol addy - sigh

"Paul T. Holland" wrote:

Numbnutz tommy wrote:

You don't own anything on the internet, crybaby.


When are you going to apologize for the years of
spamming 85 or more newgroups, crybaby?


You don't own anything on the internet. If you want
something private, establish a blog or e-list. Spare
the rest of the world from your rantings and raving,
crybaby.


** YOU ** are the only useless THING in these support
groups, crybaby.


The only thing you're pointed out is your total incompetence.


We've never seen any proof that you have one iota of medical
training, and you're completely useless trying to say so.


.... Don't assume malice for what Tom's stupidity can explain.

Numbnuts tommy wrote:

Look who was seeing himself in a mirror when that was typed.

Is this a promise that you're leaving the web?


.... Tom misses his teddy bear and no one else will sleep with him.