Hi,

My mother is suffering from what has been called
osteo-arthritis (pain in her shoulder blades that
radiates out to her arms, but which becomes less
in the course of the day).
This is NOT, repeat, NOT a heart attack OR angina.
Several doctors have labeled it arthritis.

She has had this complaint since three weeks after
she started to take heart medications after being diagnosed
with a heart attack back in March.
She is scheduled for a triple bypass and heart valve
surgery in September.

So, my question is: are any of the medications
listed below associated with arthritis, osteo-arthritis
or any kind of joint pain?
She also has swollen patches on her right arm,
near the elbow joint.

The medications in question are:

Ascal (which she now no longer takes because of the upcoming operation)
Selokeen Zoc (Tratraat Metroprolol)
Promocard
Rastinan
Pantazol
Duspatal
Lasix
Thyrax (for her pre-existing thyroid condition)
Lipitor (which she doesn't like and has never taken)

So my question is: can any of these medication set off
arthritis, or cause joint pain or swelling on elbow joint?

She had back trouble before, but never like this.

Alex

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:22:52 +0200, "Alex"
<avdeelen.REMOFE@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

Hi Alex, I am convinced that my arthritic
pain has worsened a lot since I started taking heart meds.
I have got OA in my spine, hands, knees, neck but the pain worsened
after starting Verapamil. I don't know your Mum's drugs except Lasix,
the diuretic, whereas mine is a big dose of a different one. The
inserts in the pill boxes should mention the possibility of this type
of pain as a side-effect if it applies. Have a look there.
Best wishes for your Mum's op.
(I had the valve op - no bypasses). Diana

Hi Alex,,,, Ya know,,,, I would give anything to be able to talk to,,, to
listen to,,, whatever,, my mother.... This is too important. Please
print out what you have said and hand it to your mothers doctor or doctors
and expect answers.
Harv

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Alex wrote:
How do you know?

It could still be heart related based on what you describe below.


The lipitor could but you have written that your mom has not been taking
it.

Sounds like she might be allergic to something.

Yes. But, the symptoms is as if not more likely coming from her heart
with what little information you have provided.

Would suggest you inform her cardiologist.

You and your mom will be in my prayers, neighbor.


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It isn't so if we could move on to her medication,
that would be great.
Her doctors have ruled out angina, and I would
really like to get a better description of side effects
of her medication.

She did have some red rashes on her neck, but
those have gone away.

If anyone has any knowledge of allergies or interactions
of these medications (from experience, say), then that
would be hugely appreciated.

Alex

"Alex" <avdeelen.REMOFE@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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I don't know.

If you google them individually, you will come up with sites that list side
effects and interactions.

Bill

You can also call your druggist They are well schooled on the effects of
medication...luck....Nel



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Alex wrote:
All prescription and most OTC medications (except most vitamins) have
the potential for causing allergic or other adverse reactions (speaking
from 10 yrs of experience as a doctor).

You are welcome, Alex.

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Hi Diana,

Thanks for your response, it is very much appreciated.

She's basically taking diuretics (lasix) to counteract the
effects of the betablockers she takes.

Alex

problem, e.g. Selokeen is Metoprolol Tartrate. Some of the others
don't come up at all. Those ending in "ol" are usually beta blockers
according to my experience so your Mum is on more than one of those
like my husband. As someone else suggested, you could put a search in
Google - just the name of the drug properly spelled - and then look
for side effects. So, like me, she is on a diuretic and thyroxine
plus beta blockers but I don't know what Promocard and Rastinan are.
Good luck, Diana

In article <4120f309.2238296@news.individual.de>, <florald@bigfoot.com> wrote:

The only ones I can identify are Lasix and Lipitor, which are
American brand names. I can guess at Thyrax, but it is not
clear. The PDR, or its equivalent where you are, has all the
known side effects. These might also be found by a web seach,
using your local trade name.

Each of these drugs has a generic name, which is pretty much
the same everywhere. No, I do not know them, and while they
might identify the drug to a pharmacist, they will not to a
biochemist.
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Thanks for taking the trouble.

The problem is that a lot of these medications are cheaper
replacements.

Metroprolol Tartraat (as an equivalent for Selokeen Zoc)
Amaryl for Rastinan
Furosemide for Lasix

The thing is that these medications also contain other
substances. For instance, the Metprolol Tartrate
also contains:

lactose
cornmeal
ammonium metracrylate (ammoniummetacrylaat copolymer type B)
waterfree colloïdal silicumdioxide (E551)
talcon
titaniumdioxide (titaandioxide) (E171
polythyleneglycol 4000
magnesiumstearate (E470b)

In other words, there are lots of other substances
that are also present, aside from medication itself.

Alex

In article <41226490$0$80318$a344fe98@news.wanadoo.nl>,
Alex <avdeelen.REMOFE@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
.......................

These are "excipients"; the dictionary definition of
excipient is:

An inert substance used as a diluent or vehicle for a drug.

They help make the pill (in this case) hold together and
be easier to handle.


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In article <411e3d86$0$80334$a344fe98@news.wanadoo.nl>,
"Alex" <avdeelen.REMOFE@wanadoo.nl> wrote:


This popped in today.

THE WALL STREET JOURNAL EUROPE Morning Update

26 August 2004
___________________________________
TOP STORY

Kaiser Permanente is reconsidering its use of Merck & Co.'s blockbuster
arthritis medicine Vioxx after a major study of the HMO's patients found
it may increase the risk of serious heart problems.


William (Bill)

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William Wagner wrote:
The person described in the OP is not reportedly taking Vioxx.


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Thanks, at least it makes you think about
unanticipated reactions.

And cross-reactions.

Alex

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Alex

An elderly neighbour who is on so many medications--for diabetes 2,
giant cell arteritis and polymyalgia, among other ailments, and
medications for the assorted side effects the first medications
cause--was taken to emergency five times with puzzling attacks. The
last was called a stroke and perhaps the others were strokes too. At
the last event I and the EMT grabbed her medicines bag to take in
with. One thing we found was Ephedra. A herbalist whom she trusted
encouraged her to take it saying it would help with energy. My
understanding is, among other undesirable effects, it changed her
insulin and prednisone requirements.

No one knew she was taking this and other goodies. She hadn't, the
previous times, told her doctors. She knew they wouldn't believe in
them like she did. It was a supplement, and harmless, no? and she
liked and trusted the herbalist; who spent *lots and lots* of time
with her.

She isn't taking ephedra anymore (it's been recalled anyway) but she
is taking other capsules and tonics and teas made especially for her.
I don't think she tells her doctors.

You might ask your mom, or check your mom's medicine cabinet. One
thing that comes to mind is herbal cholesterol lowering supplements.
Red yeast rice is widely thought to be quite innocent, for example,
but has the same chemical base as the original statins. It is
available as an ingredient in many cholesterol lowering supplements
under many brand names, differing from country to country. (Not sure
where you are.)

It could cause muscle pain, joint pain, weakness and atrophy.

Just a thought. Never can tell....

Zee