Hi!

some time. That your skin isn't all that dry is mostly because your body
adapts to the new environment! A more dry and healty looking skin :-)

some time. And you will probobly see improvements even when off the drug. I
did! I had a cumulative dose of 200 mg/kg. And it did wonders! Some people
are "cured" forever, some people need a second course. We are all different.

Just hope for the best. Nothing more you can do!

--

I WANT ACCUTANE! PLEASE, SOMEOENEEE, DOCTORS WONT GIVE IT TO ME HERE!sigh,
i'm like 23 years old and i've been battling acne/moderate crappy face, blah
whatever just give me
accutane!! WTF cant I get it ...................... anyway there must be
someway!

"somebody" <somebody@somewhere.com> wrote in message
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Ryan: Accutane is a dangerous drug! You will not find it easily without a
prescription, and if you do, you will be risking your life to be taking it
without being closely followed by a physician, if you can even afford it.
It can cause serious liver damage, among other problems, so you need to have
regular blood testing while on it. Also dosage adjustment is not for the
novice! It requires regular follow ups by a doctor.

If your doctor isn't prescribing, believe me they have a reason! Now
granted, one of those reasons may be due to your insurance company
discouraging their plan doctors from Rxing expensive meds, and if that's the
case, you might want to see a doctor independent of your HMO or PPO (if you
have that kind of insurance, that is....I'm just trying to give you a
possible explanation), pay cash for the visit and then get the stuff with
your own money. Keep in mind that it's VERY expensive! That's why the
insurance companies don't want docs writing for it unless someone has
seriously bad acne (and even then they piss and moan about having to pay for
it), so they put serious pressure on the docs who are on their approved
lists to only prescribe something like that in EXTREME cases, which by your
own admission you are not extreme!

Another reason may be some sort of medical problem that you have that would
make the risks involved with the drug far outweigh any benefits you could
get from it. No doctor would ignore that under any circumstances and for
you to ignore it and get the stuff black market could be a death
sentence....and for what? Something that has no guarantee of working???

Have you asked the doctors why? If they just beat around the bush, chances
are they are being pressured to not write for costly meds like that because
your insurance doesn't want to pay for them. Are you prepared to pay the
HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS of dollars it's going to cost to try this medication
if you can find it outside of your insurance company? And if you get it
black market, it'll probably run more than at a pharmacy, and you'd be
paying someone a shitload of money to risk your life without any guarantee
it'll work! Last I heard, you needed around $600-800 for it legitimately
with no guarantees it'll work, and there are lots and lots of risks behind
using it. Do you have that kind of money? Are you so willing to try this
medication that you'd be willing to risk your future health or your life, or
you'll lay out an extraordinary amount of cash without any promise it'll
work? Think long and hard about it, Ryan!

I had some pretty serious acne for a bulk of my adult life and all of my
adolescence. I'm not insensitive to what you're going through, but I never
once considered Accutane, because I knew too well of the risks involved and
some of the side effects and wasn't willing to take the risks or deal with
the side effects, especially the headaches. Please stop and reconsider
what it is you're trying to demand and think about more than just the here
and now. Find out what it is that's motivating the doctors to not prescribe
the stuff and go from there. And realize that even if you find a doctor to
write the stuff for you outside of any insurance, chances are you won't be
able to afford the stuff. And it is NOT the magic bullet you seem to think
it is. Google this newsgroup and you will find loads of people who reported
they got no real help from the stuff or they had to quit because the side
effects were intolerable. You do not get your money back if it doesn't work
either!

Good luck with finding a real solution to your problem, but making demands
in the same way a 4-year-old would when denied the toy he wants ("I WANT
ACCUTANE") is NOT going to get your anywhere. Quite honestly, that very way
of acting may be why no doctor will prescribe it for you. A drug like that
needs a highly responsible person administer it, and since you're an adult
and not acting very mature, perhaps the doctors don't want to risk you not
showing up for your much-needed regular blood tests or fear you'd take more
than prescribed to get better results faster (which does NOT work with this
drug--all you get is organ damage!). In this sue-happy society, when
someone ignores their doctor's orders and something goes wrong, they never
blame themselves and walk away. They sue the shit out of their doc and
blame THEM! And if a doctor Rx'ed this stuff for you and you didn't follow
their directions carefully and ended up with permanent liver damage, would
you just say "I did this to myself" and walk away with every malpractice
lawyer in town enticing you with thoughts of getting rich off the
situation??? Probably not! Few people actually take the blame with the
chance of making big bucks off of the situation! Doctors HAVE to cover
their asses these days! Drugs like Accutane are by prescription largely
because they are so dangerous! The prescription is given for genuine NEED,
not for whoever demands the loudest and most persistently!

There are lots of safer, more affordable, and often just as effective
solutions for moderate acne--many with money back guarantees! Why not try
more of those? Follow the proper diet recommended for someone with acne and
try the things they often discuss here on the newsgroup. There are lots of
people who have found things that help without having to risk their
long-term health! In my case, I've found that regular chemical peels using
glycolic acid has really helped my skin...just about the first thing that
has made a real difference for me too!) Go to an esthetician! They got my
son's acne under control in just a few visits and the cost was far less than
Accutane. We were only paying $70/month for him ($35/visit, every other
week).

Good luck, Ryan...
The ghost


"Ryan" <cent@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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There's a lot of good advice in there, but needs some correcting.

Mainly that Accutane is Not a dangerous drug. It has the Potential to cause
serious side effects in some people, ( just like any other POM drug ) which
is why monitoring is necessary.
As far as liver damage goes, I have chronic active hepatitis and have done
for some years. I still went through two full accutane courses and now take
low-dose accutane twice a week ( and I'm being treated by The Expert on
accutane, Prof WJ Cunliffe; look him up...) .

I never had any problems with side effects that weren't easily tolerated or
treated, such as slight dry eyes and lips. Easy to sort out. Slight joint
pain, sorted with ibuprofen when required. No hair loss, headaches, vision
problems, nothing.

What I did get after 30 years of acne and every combination of treatment
under the sun, was totally clear skin. Didn't last indefinitely, as it does
with some, and I needed repeat treatment, but that just shows how
recalcitrant and unresponsive my acne was to other methods.

Accutane has been prescribed to Millions for over 25 years. It is a
thoroughly researched drug. I wouldn't chose to have a course without blood
work, but I could, as I know I tolerate the drug very well. I can completely
understand the frustration of someone desperate to get onto accutane. When I
started with acne, accutane hadn't even been invented.

The cause of my hepatitis, which very nearly killed me, was minocycline MR,
another acne drug.............
Ryan may well be ill-advised to self-prescribe in this manner. Your
suggestion of paying for blood work and consultation is sound. Internet
pharmacies can be cheaper than the local DrugRite.

Either way, its not cheap!

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"kita" <omg8pv4802@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
<snip>
He said he was 23 in his post. I'm just floored that you've gone through my
post and tried to make it seem like I wrote all kinds of things that I never
wrote, yet you can't even read a very short post and find a very basic piece
of information that was clearly stated in it!

Not true. What do you know of the facts? I worked for a doctor not long ago
who was sued for the most amazing things and not one of those cases he
settled DESPITE the insurance companies were willing to do so (which just
encourages these baseless suits), and in NONE of those 5 cases did he have
to pay when he fought them. In one case, the most blatantly disgusting case
that occurred while I was there, he was sued because a patient got caught by
law enforcement trading his prescribed pain meds for methamphetamines and
was consequently dismissed as a patient. A month later he had a heart
attack and sued the doctor, claiming the loss of his pain meds and the
stress of being "unfairly dismissed as a patient" caused it. Now why do you
think he had a heart attack? Because the doc dismissed him as a patient
legitimately? Or because he was abusing meth? How could the LOSS of those
pain meds cause a heart attack when he wasn't taking them anyway, but
selling them to get high on meth!? Why ANY lawyer would take that case
boggles the mind, but he had one who wouldn't listen to reason and didn't
let go of the case until the judge said he had to! The doctor was sued for
this garbage and it cost him a shitload of time, trouble and money to get
the case dismissed, and it would have been cheaper and easier to let the
insurance company settle, but it also would have gone on his record against
him so he fought it and won. This was one of five totally baseless lawsuits
he successfully fielded while I worked for him. It is now the equivalent of
practicing on a shooting range for doctors these days. I have a few good
friends who are lawyers also. NONE are in the personal injury field because
of the way it's deteriorated and how low they have to stoop if involved in
medical malpractice especially. Granted, there are legitimate malpractice
suits these days, but a majority of them are no longer even close to being
anything but a wild attempt to get a doctor or his insurance company to
settle just to make it go away! I'm not just wildly firing words off on
lawyers either. I've personally witnessed the grief they are creating and
the useless expenses they cost insurance companies, doctors and even the
patients and even some real victims, with their greed.

Right now, Purdue Pharma is fighting off a mountain of lawsuits from people
who purchased Oxycontin ILLEGALLY off the streets (not people who were
prescribed the med) and got addicted. Lawyers were ADVERTISING for junkies
to call them and get on the bandwagon all over Kentucky, Ohio and several
other states! Theses suits are clogging up the courts right now, even
though so far the courts have dismissed every single one of these suits that
have come before them because someone who got the drug illegally has no
standing to sue! But tell those attorneys that! An attorney is someone who
is supposed to know the law well and SHOULD be able to immediately recognize
that illegal acquisition of a prescription drug gives the person NO LEGAL
STANDING to sue the drug manufacturer! Perhaps they could sell the person
who sold them their drugs, but not Purdue when they didn't even have a
prescription at any point! The attorneys didn't care! They hoped that
Purdue would just hand over money to get them out of their hair and screw
the legal aspects that they had no RIGHT to be suing in the first place when
they knew it better than any other profession to start with. This is
totally motivated by greed and nothing else! Despite the fact that not one
of these lawsuits against Purdue has made it through the initial stink
test--they've ALL been dismissed so far--there are attorneys clinging
desperately to their junkie clients who they know legally aren't entitled to
sue, because they continue to hope against hope that Purdue will tire of
paying money to fight this bullshit. I'm not anti-attorney. I'm
anti-greed. And I'm just stating facts. Show me where ONE statement I've
made is untrue. I can easily post numerous newspaper articles and other
sources that prove these claims completely if you think I'm making it up.
Just because facts make someone look bad doesn't mean the presenter of the
facts is anti-ANYTHING. It just means a large number of people in that
profession have made some BAD errors in judgment (and continue to do so!)
Not my fault and not my problem if it makes them look bad...that won't stop
me from pointing it out.

The reason that Accutane is Rx and not OTC is almost exclusively because of
it's ability to do things like cause birth defects, among other dangerous
things. If it couldn't create that kind of harm, you could buy it from the
shelf next to the Benadryl and Pepcid AC.
Let me correct that since I apparently didn't word it precisely enough for
you: IDEALLY, prescriptions are SUPPOSED to be written for a genuine need,
not for whoever demands the loudest and most persistently. Excuse me for
not reading your mind before writing my post, but the whole concept behind
prescriptions are so they are written when the doctor's judgment says they
should be. They were never designed to be doled out because someone whined
excessively for it so the doctor gave in. Just because that's become the
way things are done in some doctors' offices does not make it right or
change the original intent of the actual need of the script being left to
the doctor's judgment alone.

I never claimed GA works for everyone. I said it worked for me. I don't
think it was stated anywhere in my post that it works for everyone. In
fact, I think it's fairly universally known that there is NOTHING that works
for everyone and just because someone says that it works for them does not
even remotely imply that it works for everyone. It just says that since it
worked for them, perhaps someone else might want to try it. How you got
from A to C without B even being present is beyond me!

I'm surprised you're correcting me for things I never said. Why is that?
Bored?

Where in my post did I say estheticians were magicians????? Another case of
you claiming I said something I didn't--for what purpose I can only guess.

I imagined that he'd already seen a dermatologist or two and at the risk of
writing a BOOK-LONG POST, I wasn't going to say that, but apparently YOU
need someone to write a book-long post to address everything you THINK they
are saying! I wasn't putting any one profession above any other
(esthetician over dermatologist) and I never stated any such thing anywhere
in my post. Please don't put words into my posts that were not there. All
I was trying to do was hit on some things he may not have tried and you've
completely twisted my words. You can't even seem to figure out the guy's
age when it's clearly stated in his short post, yet you've made massively
(wrong) assumptions about the things I wrote while trying to make it seem
like I've said things that I never said. Next time read for content (all
posts) and not what you THINK it says. You might be able to get more out of
someone's post next time.

Ghost

GhostMouse wrote:
Mea Culpa, so he did.


<snip headache>

Your rant lost the respect.

No one is here to listen to you argue or call others names. I've
encountered enough people IRL that play those games to feel better about
themselves or about their intelligence, or to try to feel superior, that
I have no interest in dealing with it online, as well.

Good luck to you and your issues.
Bye!
::Plonk:::

Can't we all just get along?

Immature, well people are different, some people will act different, but
I surely dont go crying into the dermatolgists office crying like a baby
asking
for accutane, the thing is no one really understands unless you've been
through it
and have to live your life in front of people etc. You obviously have lived
your
life indoors, so therefore your acne hasn't been much of an issue for you.
Well good for you, but for others it's a different story, some of us are
very
very social people and desire alot of human interaction. And if I am 23
years old
and if I want to fuck up my body by taking a drug, then let me. I dont do
any other
drugs of any kind, i'm a healthy guy. I know the side effects. I know what
to expect
and if i'm willing to go through those kinds of things to have a chance at
clearing
my face, then let me, no one else has the right to control my future, or
life.
And think about it, if I was offering to buy it from someone or over the net
then of course I can afford the drug, i've given dermatolgists the
opportunity
to prescribe me this drug. I have also mentioned to them that I can order
this drug
over the internet. I've done my time with acne/pimples whatever, i've dealed
with it
since I was 14. I've tried everything. It's time to give a chance at
something new.

I dont know about you but I am sick of joining and reading these
forums/newsgroups.
but if you like it and spinning plenty of useless information, then go
ahead. But I have
better things to do with my life.....


"GhostMouse" <GhostMouse622@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I S T R O N G L Y suggest you go to another doctor who will prescribe
it. However, you can get Accutane from overseas (interesting legal loophole
due to 9-11) without a prescription using cash (credit card) only, no
insurance coverage. Do you know what dosage you need? Do you know how often
each day to take it? Do you know what properties of your blood to monitor
each month? The dosage offered is usually low--20mg pills-- so for many of
"average" weight (80Kg) that means two pills, twice a day. It can be
dangerous so you should monitor your blood monthly. Be careful, it's a drug
that's not fully understood and that's one reason accutane-inexperienced
doctors are reluctant to prescribe it.

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