Hi, I'm male, 31, and have high Testosterone levels. The reference range
should 8.4-28.7 nmol/L by I am generally testing around 33.9.

I believe this is the cause of symptoms that others my age do not seem to
have, such as irritability, very high libido, acne and male pattern hair
loss.

I am currently taking Dutasteride (brand name Avodart) for the hair loss and
it seems to have stopped in its tracks, but I was advised Dutasteride may
also lower Testosterone along with DHT, however after a year my latest test
is still as above.

The acne has been cured by Klear Action.

Can anyone suggest natural supplements or other than definitely will help
balance my hormone level, but will not interfere with Dutasteride?

Thanks.

OK, I have had the same problem. Yeah, women have all kinds of
pills to control eastrogen levels. Alas, none for men to lower
their testosterone.

There was a time, where every day I did not have sex, three days
later there would be a fucking pimple. It came to the point where
I was doing it just to prevent them from popping up, reluctantly,
just like going to the bathroom and pissing, that's how often I
had to do it. And guess what, my ex then went away for two weeks,
and then, no sex, and when she returned, big fucking disgusting
pimples.

But then the doctor told me, whenever you come, you have less
sperm in you so your body will produce more and more testosterone
later. So, basically, the only remedy is quit sex altogether (yeah,
it was hard, but I think I succeeded). One month later testicles
will start producing less testosterone, hence less acne! Yey!!!!!!

Fuck sex. Just get rid of the fucking zits, whatever it takes.

"Acnonymous" <please.reply@news.group> wrote in message news:<kMXwc.2132$kx6.21829661@news-text.cableinet.net>...

Have you tried Proactiv/Klear Action? Using that I can have sex as often as
I want!

Don't give up sex man - that's the reason to live. In fact it's the reason
you're alive

I only want to reduce Testosterone for other non-acne reasons.

"Acne Emperor" <acneemperor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Acnonymous wrote:

If your acne is so mild you can get rid of it with
Proactiv/Klear Action then it's the same as me when I used
to use Panoxyl three times a week to clear my face, which is
now zitless!

You've seen my posts. I've got these fucking cysts under my
shirt. So I can get laid short term as much as I want. What
I cannot do is keep someone with me for years. It happened
to me only once.

I cannot get mediocre girls, cause they think I'm too
goodlooking for them. All I can get is some damn awesome
chicks, the most goodlooking ones, the only ones that
believe they've got enough potential to get me. Yeah, and
then, guess what, when they see this fucking acne under my
shirt, yeah, then not even the ugliest fucking chick would
think I'm good enough for her. Can you imagine, how hard and
how psychologically disturbing this is? I don't think so.
All I can say is the following:

Imagine being the emperor: the guy that has the most
goodlooking woman in the world, and has a choice of a
zillion chicks. Listen up buddy, that WAS me, but not
forever. Cause then, this fucking acne, hidden acne, what
happens when my queen sees it. I'll tell you, she runs!!!
And what happens to my empire: an empire of fucking zits,
that's what's left. People talk about it. Chicks no longer
think you are what they thought. I hate my empire. Where are
all those chicks that came up to me and screwed me without
me having to say a word. All GONE!!!

Please, fucking acne, get the hell out of my life, or one of
these days I'll just get life out of the fucking world. This
is no way to live.
Not one fucking chick I know of doesn't think it's gross,
not one. My shirt is an invincible superman shirt. Guess
what happens when superman takes off his fucking shirt. He
can put it back on, he's no longer superman. Fuck this
world. I hate all.

I see myself as a superhero with hidden zits. What kind of
superhero is that? I don't know if I qualify as a superhero.
Perhaps more like those phony superheros that can fake it to
a certain point but not beyond that.

How is a phony superhero supposed to live his life. Tell me?
Well, LET ME FUCKING TELL YOU. SOMEONE IS SUPPOSED TO KILL
HIM. I HAVE BEEN WAITING :_(, WAITING FOR SOME TRUE
SUPERHERO TO COME TO MY DOOR WITH A FUCKING GUN AND SHOOT
THE SHIT OUT OF ME. IT DID NOT HAPPEN.
WHY?????????????????????????

CAUSE NOTHING WOULD LOOK SO STUPID AS ME SHOOTINZG MYSELF. I'LL
TELL YOU HOW I WILL DIE. I WILL FIND THE MOST CRUEL GANGSTER,
PICK UP HIS WIFE, AND THEN, HE'LL SHOOT ME BEFORE SHE SEES MY
ACNE: EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED. MAYBE HE'LL EVEN SHOOT ME SO GOOD
NOBODY WILL EVER EVEN NOTICE I HAD ACNE. FOR EXAMPLE, HE COULD
BURN ME WITH MY SHIRT ON. AND THEN, YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, I
WILL HAVE DIED OUT OF NO FAULT OF MY OWN, EVERYONE WILL RESPECT
ME, AND I WILL BE A SUPERHERO FOR EVER.

NICE ISN'T IT? A ROMANTIC ENDING THAT DOESN'T END WITH THE DISCOVERY
OF FUCKING ACNE UNDER MY SHIRT.

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Acnonymous wrote:

If your acne is so mild you can get rid of it with
Proactiv/Klear Action then it's the same as me when I used
to use Panoxyl three times a week to clear my face, which is
now zitless!

You've seen my posts. I've got these fucking cysts under my
shirt. So I can get laid short term as much as I want. What
I cannot do is keep someone with me for years. It happened
to me only once.

I cannot get mediocre girls, cause they think I'm too
goodlooking for them. All I can get is some damn awesome
chicks, the most goodlooking ones, the only ones that
believe they've got enough potential to get me. Yeah, and
then, guess what, when they see this fucking acne under my
shirt, yeah, then not even the ugliest fucking chick would
think I'm good enough for her. Can you imagine, how hard and
how psychologically disturbing this is? I don't think so.
All I can say is the following:

Imagine being the emperor: the guy that has the most
goodlooking woman in the world, and has a choice of a
zillion chicks. Listen up buddy, that WAS me, but not
forever. Cause then, this fucking acne, hidden acne, what
happens when my queen sees it. I'll tell you, she runs!!!
And what happens to my empire: an empire of fucking zits,
that's what's left. People talk about it. Chicks no longer
think you are what they thought. I hate my empire. Where are
all those chicks that came up to me and screwed me without
me having to say a word. All GONE!!!

Please, fucking acne, get the hell out of my life, or one of
these days I'll just get life out of the fucking world. This
is no way to live.
Not one fucking chick I know of doesn't think it's gross,
not one. My shirt is an invincible superman shirt. Guess
what happens when superman takes off his fucking shirt. He
can put it back on, he's no longer superman. Fuck this
world. I hate all.

I see myself as a superhero with hidden zits. What kind of
superhero is that? I don't know if I qualify as a superhero.
Perhaps more like those phony superheros that can fake it to
a certain point but not beyond that.

How is a phony superhero supposed to live his life. Tell me?
Well, LET ME FUCKING TELL YOU. SOMEONE IS SUPPOSED TO KILL
HIM. I HAVE BEEN WAITING :_(, WAITING FOR SOME TRUE
SUPERHERO TO COME TO MY DOOR WITH A FUCKING GUN AND SHOOT
THE SHIT OUT OF ME. IT DID NOT HAPPEN.
WHY?????????????????????????

CAUSE NOTHING WOULD LOOK SO STUPID AS ME SHOOTINZG MYSELF. I'LL
TELL YOU HOW I WILL DIE. I WILL FIND THE MOST CRUEL GANGSTER,
PICK UP HIS WIFE, AND THEN, HE'LL SHOOT ME BEFORE SHE SEES MY
ACNE: EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED. MAYBE HE'LL EVEN SHOOT ME SO GOOD
NOBODY WILL EVER EVEN NOTICE I HAD ACNE. FOR EXAMPLE, HE COULD
BURN ME WITH MY SHIRT ON. AND THEN, YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!, I
WILL HAVE DIED OUT OF NO FAULT OF MY OWN, EVERYONE WILL RESPECT
ME, AND I WILL BE A SUPERHERO FOR EVER.

NICE ISN'T IT? A ROMANTIC ENDING THAT DOESN'T END WITH THE DISCOVERY
OF FUCKING ACNE UNDER MY SHIRT.

"Acne Emperor" <acneemperor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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man.. dont you just hate that problem. life is so unfair.
d.

Mate, I feel your pain. We've all been there. I've had the same screaming
rants as you just did, at my mirror.

But I can promise you something - the girl who is shallow enough to judge
you for that is not the girl you want to be with.

The girl who sees the man inside that skin, is the one you want.

It's a nice self-filtering effect.

I'm 31 and one thing I've learnt is that people don't judge you for your
outer shell if they're worth having as friends or lovers.

But that aside, if it upsets you this much, can't you try Klear Action on
your chest, or Roaccutane even as a last resort?

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"deuce" <dont@thinkso.com> wrote in message news:<9Jhyc.9241$0g3.1431751@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et>...
Who is it unfair to. To me? To them? Both?

And what is it you'd do in my position. I don't think you'd be satisfied
to have supermodel chicks run away from you cause of your ACNE. Especially
when before they saw your acne they were all over you, complaining about
their other guys not being as attractive.

Yeah, do you think I get a kick out of one night stands where you go from
her being all over you to her running out of the door??? Let me tell you
that the depression from the loss is much greater than the ups from the
temporary gain due to her chasing you for sex.

Tell me, what the hell would the rest of you consider the right thing to do
in my position???? I hate myself!!!!!!! I have a dual personality? Yes, that
is cause I have two dual appearances that are completely different depending
on whether or not they can see your ACNE.

As a result, there are times when I'm up, but then, when the ACNE truth comes
uncovered, I'm suddenly down. No wonder.

"deuce" <dont@thinkso.com> wrote in message news:<9Jhyc.9241$0g3.1431751@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et>...
Who is it unfair to. To me? To them? Both?

And what is it you'd do in my position. I don't think you'd be satisfied
to have supermodel chicks run away from you cause of your ACNE. Especially
when before they saw your acne they were all over you, complaining about
their other guys not being as attractive.

Yeah, do you think I get a kick out of one night stands where you go from
her being all over you to her running out of the door??? Let me tell you
that the depression from the loss is much greater than the ups from the
temporary gain due to her chasing you for sex.

Tell me, what the hell would the rest of you consider the right thing to do
in my position???? I hate myself!!!!!!! I have a dual personality? Yes, that
is cause I have two dual appearances that are completely different depending
on whether or not they can see your ACNE.

As a result, there are times when I'm up, but then, when the ACNE truth comes
uncovered, I'm suddenly down. No wonder.

"deuce" <dont@thinkso.com> wrote in message news:<9Jhyc.9241$0g3.1431751@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et>...
Who is it unfair to. To me? To them? Both?

And what is it you'd do in my position. I don't think you'd be satisfied
to have supermodel chicks run away from you cause of your ACNE. Especially
when before they saw your acne they were all over you, complaining about
their other guys not being as attractive.

Yeah, do you think I get a kick out of one night stands where you go from
her being all over you to her running out of the door??? Let me tell you
that the depression from the loss is much greater than the ups from the
temporary gain due to her chasing you for sex.

Tell me, what the hell would the rest of you consider the right thing to do
in my position???? I hate myself!!!!!!! I have a dual personality? Yes, that
is cause I have two dual appearances that are completely different depending
on whether or not they can see your ACNE.

As a result, there are times when I'm up, but then, when the ACNE truth comes
uncovered, I'm suddenly down. No wonder.

"deuce" <dont@thinkso.com> wrote in message news:<9Jhyc.9241$0g3.1431751@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.n et>...
Who is it unfair to. To me? To them? Both?

And what is it you'd do in my position. I don't think you'd be satisfied
to have supermodel chicks run away from you cause of your ACNE. Especially
when before they saw your acne they were all over you, complaining about
their other guys not being as attractive.

Yeah, do you think I get a kick out of one night stands where you go from
her being all over you to her running out of the door??? Let me tell you
that the depression from the loss is much greater than the ups from the
temporary gain due to her chasing you for sex.

Tell me, what the hell would the rest of you consider the right thing to do
in my position???? I hate myself!!!!!!! I have a dual personality? Yes, that
is cause I have two dual appearances that are completely different depending
on whether or not they can see your ACNE.

As a result, there are times when I'm up, but then, when the ACNE truth comes
uncovered, I'm suddenly down. No wonder.

Based on these posts mate, I'd say that seeing a counsellor would really
help you learn that it's the person that matters. You are the person
inside. Your body is just a house for 'you'. You are NOT your body.

I saw a counsellor for 3 months and I grew about 10 years during that time,
and learned to be 100 times less self conscious about my skin problems. I
highly recommend it. It's not a sign of weakness to accept you need it,
it's a sign of strength.

Judging by your anger towards acne, and your talk of killing people or
yourself, I'd highly recommend this combined with Roaccutane.

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