Does clear alcohol (gin, vodka) have carbs? Is it ok to drink clear
alcohol on the anti-acne low carb diet? How many carbs does, say, a
shot of gin have? How much sugar? What about beer?

I read that the sugar in clear alcohol is not converted into glucose,
whatever that means.

Also, how many grams of carbs should I stay under if I am on the low
carb diet to see optimum results? 20g/day? 50g?

Please help. Thanks.

Carbs come in all kinds of packages... sugar, alcohol, starches(bread, pasta
etc) and they are metabolized by the body differently. Starches will add
body weight whereas pure sugar and alcohol won't despite their high calorie
content. My personal opinion is the starches are the carbs to avoid in
helping solve acne problems.

"halfbreed" <nowhere@yomomma.com> wrote in message
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In my particular case, I break out whenever I have refined sugar.

ar

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On Sat, 13 Sep 2003 19:58:01 GMT, "arlyn" <arlynsg@adelphia.net>
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What is "refined" sugar and what are some examples?

Refined sugar is sugar. Cookies, cake, candy, the white stuff you put in
your coffee, soda, are you getting the picture?

Sugar that you get from fruits is different.

ar

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John wrote:
this is one of the weirder claims i've heard lately..what are you onto? you've heard of a "beer belly" have
you not?
And sugar won't make you fat? What are you talking about? An insulin spike will result in fat being deposited
on your body. On the contrary, complex carbs, or starches will have a "time-release" effect and allow your
body to metabolize them and not deposit themselves as fat(within limits of course..anything that is in excess
will become fat).

halfbreed wrote:
processed sugar dude.. it's supposed to be inferior to "natural" sugars such as those found in fruits etc.

The "beer belly" belly is not from the alcohol in beer but the carbs from
grains used to make beer. Have you ever seen a "gin or vodka belly" (pure,
high calorie alcohol) ? You might find Dr. Atkins interesting reading as
more and more studies tend to corroborate his hypothesis regarding complex
carbs and weight gain.

"da\/e /\/\0053-ST@1|\|" <spam@someone.else> wrote in message
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John wrote:
It's from alcohol!!

1 gram of carb is 4 calories, just like 1 gram of protein, whereas 1 gram of alcohol is 7 calories, almost as
much as 1 gram of fat, 9 calories. Is there any surprise that alcohol is fattening?

On Mon, 15 Sep 2003 02:15:55 -0400, "da\\/e /\\/\\0053-ST@1|\\|"
<spam@someone.else> wrote:


You don't get the point. It isn't calories that cause weight gain,
it's carbs.

halfbreed wrote:
It's most definately calories too..any calories taken in enuff quantities will promote weight gain. Alcohol
calories are no exception.

You're absolutely wrong. I've been on no-carb diets several times
where I eat -massive- quantities of beef, pork (ham, bacon, pork
chops), cheese, and other fatty foods (including quite a bit of
butter and mayonaise), and despite eating tons of meat and dairy
(including two big steaks for dinner every night) and ample quantities
of gin and vodka, I drop pounds like crazy. It's amazing. I can lose a
pound a day like this.

Carbs are the enemy.

halfbreed wrote:
Not fat. Water. That's what you're losing. All those calories are not gonna magically dissapear, in fact the
body can't really process too much fat correctly without carbs.

"da\\/e /\\/\\0053-ST@1|\\|" wrote:
Calories are measured in the lab, by burning the material in question
in the presence of oxygen, and measuring the heat produced in a device
called a calorimeter. But the body does not simply burn food.
Calories from different sources are dealt with by the body in lots of
different ways, so the calorie content of different foods is only a
crude estimate of their effect on body fat.

Sawdust measures as many calories as an equal weight of sugar, but it
isn't digestible so it doesn't have any weight gain potential.
Alcohol is broken down, excreted by the kidneys, or exhaled through
the lungs, but provides no useful energy for the body, so does not
have any weight gain potential. Even fats and carbs are handled
completely differently by the digestion and metabolism systems, so
their calorie content is not a very good guide to what they will do to
body fat. It even makes a difference if fats are absorbed separately
or with carbs as far as weight gain goes. These sort of nuances are
the realization that the Atkin's diet is based upon.

--
John Popelish

On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 15:59:29 GMT, John Popelish <jpopelish@rica.net>
wrote:


Thanks for the info. Very interesting.

John Popelish wrote:
welp..i agree with most of the stuff you said, except the alcohol-fat thing
this website says alcohol will make you fat. as you can see, beer has the most calories, so maybe that's why
the gut is called a "beer" gut and not a vodka gut:

http://www.bupa.co.uk/health_informa.../alcohol3.html

"da\\/e /\\/\\0053-ST@1|\\|" wrote:
Notice that every mixed drink they listed also contains sugar (and in
the case of beer, sugar and starch). Alcohol that is not exhaled is
first turned into acetaldehyde. Then this is converted into acetic
acid. This is vinegar. Both processes consume calories. Acetic acid
does have a little value as a fuel, but not nearly as much as the same
weight as sugar or starch, but enough to pay the energy cost of
converting alcohol to acetic acid, in the first place. But if you
replace all food calories in your diet with alcohol calories, expect
to starve to death (but, perhaps not care much). Life is complicated.

Here is a government reference to the metabolism of alcohol, including
some conclusions about alcohol and weight gain:
http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/aa35.htm
Check the paragraph on body weight.

--
John Popelish

John Popelish wrote:
i couldn't find the paragraph at first so i read it all until i found it
it says "alcohol consumption does not necessarily result in increased body weight". NECESSARILY.
then this thing: "Although moderate doses of alcohol added to the diets of lean men and women do not seem to
lead to weight gain, some studies have reported weight gain when alcohol is added to the diets of overweight
persons "..what is that? a lot of people are overweight in u.s. and canada, rarely is a person "normal
weight". LEAN people, such as this friend of mine, don't make any effort to lose any weight, yet they're thin
as a stick, no matter what they eat or DRINK
i'm overweight too..i'm definatly not lean, this is the body i was born with. i'm not obese, but i am
overweight.
quite an ambiguous issue this alcohol thing.

It is almost painful to continue to read this thread. Dave, you were a
badass with Megadeath, but you are a horrible dietician. Trust John on this
one and take his advice.

Scarred For Life? wrote:
Why is it painful?
Why should i trust John?
And it's Megadeth not Megadeath..